Editorial: Slott, Marvel and the New Professionalism


“F-ck KFC”

SGW2AGoing to keep this short and to the point.

Tonight on Twitter Dan Slott apologized to many Spider-fans who were incorrectly blocked when he began using some sort of social media automatic blocking bot. While trying to autoblock people involved in the current ‘Gamer Gate’ debacle (Google it if you want but it’s not Spider-related) he apparently plugged in a anti-Gamer Gate list… and wound up blocking many Spider-fans who had said or done nothing to him on Twitter.

This brief editorial isn’t about that though. However Mr. Slott chooses to manage his social media… well that’s all up to him. But while explaining what happened on Twitter he made the tweet you see to the right.

We went with a screenshot instead of an embedded tweet in case the original tweet is deleted. Next to the screenshot of the tweet is an Avengers related KFC promo, an Amazing Spider-Man KFC promo and a KFC kids meal promo with Hulk, the Thing and Wolverine.

KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, owned by Yum! Brands which also owns Taco Bell and Pizza Hut) has been a business partner with Marvel in the past, doing comics promotions and even kids meal promotions involving Marvel comics and movies. Even a brief Google image search shows you exactly what I mean. Most recently they have even promoted the Marvel Universe Live show currently touring arenas & stadiums across the country.

Mr. Slott’s Twitter tirades and online feuds are the stuff of legend now, and we’ve covered them here before when he’s gone after comic fans on message boards and social media.

But all the same, I find myself asking if Disney Marvel is really and truly fine with the writer of Amazing Spider-Man (the flagship title featuring a character that brought in over a billion dollars in licensing last year) hurling venom at corporate partners?

It’s 2015. Welcome to the New Professionalism.

–George Berryman! 

(149) Comments

  1. hornacek

    @148 - "And what kind of . . . Ahem . . . inDUHvividual, after being banned for his behavior, shows up under a different username and says he is someone who has been banned?" I have seen people kicked out of a nightclub for being too drunk, and when they manage to sneak back in they go back up to the bouncer who threw them out and say "Ha! I got back in!" and then they're surprised when they're thrown out again.

  2. AmazingOSUman

    @111. This is what is killing me in this entire discussion. I bought the Spidey and Human Torch mini-series because I saw positive comments here. OVERWHELMINGLY positive comments. And the mini-series DESERVED those comments. I would probably never even have KNOWN this mini-series existed, were it not for this site and those comments. And as best I can recall, ALL of those comments mentioned SLOTT as the writer, and praised what a terrific job he had done, in his capacity as writer on a Spider-Man (or "Spidey," or "Webhead" if you are morally opposed to the hyphen key) book. The puppets were great, but I was pretty sure they were not going to be effective. And what kind of . . . Ahem . . . inDUHvividual, after being banned for his behavior, shows up under a different username and says he is someone who has been banned? What a/an . . . Um . . . Ah . . . Skip it.

  3. BD

    Evan, I share your opinion. I actually,for the first time in 30 years, thought of not buying ASM due to Slott's behavior on my site and his online presence. My love of Spidey outweighed my dislike of the writer in the end. A book where it did affect me is Silver Surfer. I have collected every series he's had since 1986 or 1987. Slott writing it made me not buy it. So it's one less sale.

  4. Evan

    One of the reasons I've had difficulty reading Spider-man since just before #700 is I have always had an incredible amount of difficulty separating the creator of a piece of art (or in this case, a writer) from his creation. It's like going through school having a particular favorite author and then later discovering unsavory details regarding character traits or behaviors. It forever casts a pall over the creation and makes it difficult to enjoy at the same level or to find the same meaning. I've always been secretly jealous of those people who are able to parse the artist from the art, but it has always been difficult for me. And that has a lot to do with why I do not purchase Spider-man comic books, which makes me sad, because formerly they were so important to me. But my point is that I am sure there are others like me who vote with their money, so to speak, and who would be hurt or offended (e.g., how many Spider-man fans work KFC?). In the future if sales increase I'm sure someone will say, "See? Those Twitter comments did not affect sales at all!" But I think, as you said, there will be consequences one way or another, even if jobs are not lost. I just wanted to share my thoughts.

  5. George Berryman - Post author

    @140 - Apparently it's fine with Disney. This kind of thing has already been going on for years. But then I don't think Disney really gives much notice to the fact that they also own a comic book company. They own Marvel characters that they make movies about; it seems to end there. If Marvel editors starting Instagraming pictures of them shooting puppies I'm not sure Disney would notice at this point. @143 - The highest comment count on Crawlspace was over 600. If I recall it was from when Slott told a Spider-Man reader to "go eff yourself." @144 - Sad to say but none of that surprises me!

  6. Phantom Roxas

    It really didn't stop with these tweets. Slott has no qualms going after people he's gone out of his way to block, up to and including that person's followers solely for following them. https://storify.com/AliasJones/here-we-go-again

  7. Evan

    Has the comment count ever gone this high before? I've never seen it like this. The way the staff here at the Crawlspace handle situations like those above is just one of the reasons I keep coming back here. And, incidentally, perhaps puppets should become a regular feature of the reviews. And, I agree -- I think it's pretty evident that Dan Slott is making a joke, but that doesn't make excuse him from being mindful of his speech in a public forum. I have seen people get fired for far less than that.

  8. Jack Brooks

    Slott is part of the Quesada/Wacker frat-house at Marvel, so they have been laughing at his antics and egging him on for years. Also, he makes them money. If Slott was the writer of New Warriors, they would have sternly ordered him to knock it off a long time ago. It is a fantasy that a public figure's behavior will not impact how people regard his work.

  9. Ultrasonic9

    @140 I think you hit it right on the nail George. The question I'm wondering now is how long is Disney going to tolerate this attitude Slott has towards the audience? I mean, now it seems Slott is getting into more verbal spats with people than before. I'm sorry, but if I was Bob Iger, I would personally send a message to Quesada or whomever to tell Slott to stop it once and for all, or the next time something like this happens, he will be done at Marvel.

  10. George Berryman - Post author

    @139: "I don’t think comparisons to other workplace environments are particualarly apt. The differences between two writers or two artists are more significant than the differences between a manager and the next guy who could get the job. " Work's work, customers are customers, corporate partners are corporate partners. The work is different, yes, but at the same time both are professional. "One thing I’m curious about is what you think Marvel should do about Slott. In Post #25, you made a point that you haven’t called for Slott to be fired. But just above, you say that he has failed to meet standards of civility that should always be expected. There are various ways to square that, but I’m curious what you think Marvel’s policy should be." One thing I had hoped for when Disney bought Marvel was a new sense of civility. I mean how far would Disney get if they routinely argued with 'Frozen' fans online 24/7? Would telling a 'Frozen' fan "Hey go eff yourself!" be a good or bad move for Disney? Would such action promote or discourage parents from taking their kids to Disney movies or Disney theme parks? Marvel should not be an exception, nor should they have been prior to Disney buying them. Civility with the customer base, and an understanding of the importance of the corporate/consumer relationship, should always be in mind. Outside of that - yes, there should be consequences. It's up for Disney to decide what those consequences are though I guarantee you that if I was in Bob Iger's position I would absolutely not tolerate someone telling a paying customer "Hey go eff yourself" or badmouthing a corporate partner. I freely admit that I may be looking at it from the perspective of someone who is over forty. Business has always been done that way in my experience though I get that saying "hey go eff yourself" to a customer is perfectly acceptable to some who are 10 or 20 years younger than I am. Not all, but some. Either way it's still bad business. :)

  11. Thomas Mets

    I don't think comparisons to other workplace environments are particualarly apt. The differences between two writers or two artists are more significant than the differences between a manager and the next guy who could get the job. There are people who buy Amazing Spider-Man for Slott, and others who don't care for his work, might buy the book if John Layman was the writer. With people working in various midlevel positions, avoiding mistakes is more important than doing some things spectacularly well. One thing I'm curious about is what you think Marvel should do about Slott. In Post #25, you made a point that you haven't called for Slott to be fired. But just above, you say that he has failed to meet standards of civility that should always be expected. There are various ways to square that, but I'm curious what you think Marvel's policy should be.

  12. Francisco

    @136 But it's not a matter of one excluding the other. As an employer, both proper/respectful behaviour AND quality of work should be important and go hand in hand. If you have a job you're good at but treat everyone else in your workplace horribly, chances are they'll show you the door and get someone who understands the rules of the game. As a reader (client) it's true that the work and the artist/person who executes it should be considered independently but there are some understated guidelines of behaving, especially as a public figure for a company; they're free to respect them or not and assume the responsibility (see what I did there?) for either option. Freedom of speech doesn't negate consequences of said speech. Not saying this is THAT terrible btw.

  13. George Berryman - Post author

    @136 - Fair points, Mets. I agree that civility should never be rewarded but for different reasons - primarily because in a professional sense it should always be expected. Then again with Spider-Man, it's not just quality of the work. Spider-Man alone last year was a billion dollar business; very little of that was comics revenue. My last job was managing a quality department. When I got promoted and put in charge of it the department was close to 20 people or so. By the time the project ended it was closer to 50. We worked for one client, which was huge, nationally known and newsworthy. We were told not to mention that we even did work for the client, which I could understand. Now if I had jumped online and start badmouthing that client, or another company that did business with our client, I could've easily lost my job. And with good cause. Professionally, I would've been in the wrong. I did have issues with some of the client's internal policies, but that's stuff we discussed privately at work - not on social media, which is highly visible. We learned to divide & internalize what we personally felt about the client because professionally we were there to do what that client wanted us to do.

  14. Thomas Mets

    I think my view on this topic is somewhat controversial. As far as fans of Spider-Man are concerned, I think the only thing that should matter is the quality of the work. Criticizing a writer or artist for anything else is essentially advocating for worse material. There is no way for a company to mandate a particular form of behavior without a willingness to take work away from professionals who fail to meet this standard, even if it has nothing to do with the quality of the material. Punishing a writer because he was rude online demonstrates that quality is not the priority, an attitude that I believe is especially harmful to this particular industry. Rewarding a writer because of his civility is also harmful, as it demonstrates a concern for something other than what matters: the quality of the work. It's encouraging Marvel to skip the most talented guy for someone else.

  15. BD

    You were banned after getting warned three times and we're to blame? You then come back in with yet another IP address twice? Yet, we're to blame. Bans don't have an expiration date. It sounds like you're the one with a grudge against someone.

  16. SidingOut

    <b><i>Edited by George - You're not welcome here anymore. Get the hint. We'll keep banning IP's until we're finally rid of you and yeah I'll keep deleting your comments because you've already been shown the door. Being banned here "years ago" by an Admin doesn't mean you're magically welcomed back now.</b></i>

  17. Truthwillwin1

    Wow that was a fun read it seems that some people are loyal to a fault. The guy just could not see the reality of the situation.

  18. AmFan15

    @#127- Personally, I'd rather have KFC than Spam anyday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdpsfBsN_Dg Seriously though, thanks for the help, GB!

  19. hornacek

    During this whole thread I tried to find a pic online of Peter and Doc Ock sharing a bucket of Colonel Chicken, it seemed so appropriate. But I couldn't find one. :(

  20. George Berryman - Post author

    @125 - AmFan15 - I have no idea why it keeps throwing your comments into the spam list, bud! I'll poke around a bit more tomorrow morning but I am not sure why it's doing it!

  21. George Berryman - Post author

    @124 - "I don’t think it’s at all fair to characterise theoutsider as a Troll dude and banning him is pretty darn harsh." It's really not, considering he'd told us he'd already been banned here before by Kevin. But then we'd already suspected as much earlier in the day. And by the end it became extremely tiresome to be told I "hate" someone just for questioning the judgment they use while posting on social media. Before he'd mentioned that he'd been banned here before he hadn't said anything to get banned for. Bottom line, if we feel someone is outside of our forum guidelines and we show them the door, it's not their call to welcome themselves back. That's entirely our decision and not theirs. "In truth I’d consider consistently insulting his intelligence (I’ll use puppets for instance) a personal attack and not something to be metaphorically high fiving about." When several people repeatedly tried to explain to him how it was Spider-related and relevant for this site he kept refusing to see it. And I fully believe he was smart enough to understand why, and that he did understand why, but was choosing not to just so he could harping on it. Again - it was quite clear from the tone of his first post what he was here for. Aaand that's the end of it.

  22. AmFan15

    @ #124 - Hairychap, from what I could tell TheOutsider was not banned because of what he said here...in fact, WAY back in post #97, George said: "You’ve done nothing to be banned for. You’re not personally insulting anyone and passive aggression isn’t ban worthy. We get that you don’t like us and we’re okay with it. We just wish you’d learn to use a hyphen." Both Brad and George said numerous times that nothing he said was worthy of a ban. Simply having a different opinion and voicing it...even in the overbearing way he presented it...would not warrant that. In fact, I seem to recall that at one point they even went so far as to say that they encourage people to voice their arguments, since it encourages debate...Just to do so in a friendlier manner. However, back in post #106, TheOutsider freely admitted: "Oh and before anyone jumps down my throat, I was here years ago under a name, and got banned by that Cushing guy I believe, who isn’t even here anymore. Don’t even remember what I was banned for, but I’m sure that’s not a surprise that I was, eh?" So while what he did today was not worthy of a ban, the shear fact that he had previously been banned, coupled with his antagonistic attitude he displayed here, certainly was.

  23. hairychap

    I don't think it's at all fair to characterise theoutsider as a Troll dude and banning him is pretty darn harsh. In truth I'd consider consistently insulting his intelligence (I'll use puppets for instance) a personal attack and not something to be metaphorically high fiving about. However I think it'd be pretty low of another comic related website to write an editorial about crawlspace admin insulting his reader to try and cause you trouble. I don't agree with everything theoutsider says but the general sentiment is one I share.

  24. AmFan15

    This has been a very entertaining editorial. Thanks to George and TheOutsider (whoever he might have been) for the laughs. (Puppets...LMAO!) Oh, and ironically, we scarfed down a big bucket of KFC during the game tonight...and it was finger lickin' good!

  25. PartyHardy

    Ugh what's the point of "keeping a cool head" when this dude doesn't even listen to what I say

  26. George Berryman - Post author

    @116 - "Now, back to the point of this article, I’m sure Slott meant that as a joke. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was in bad taste." I'm sure he meant it as a joke as well, unless it's some kind of PETA thing. No idea. But yeah it's just not a good idea to say stuff like that about your company's business partners.

  27. C-Spider31

    The way I see it, this article wasn't bashing Dan Slott at all. It was just asking our opinions of whether or not Slott acted professionally when he tweeted "F**k KFC." If it was bashing Slott, I bet George would have written, "Look! Dan Slott just tweeted 'F**k KFC'! What an a**! Do you want this guy to be the lead writer of Amazing Spider-Man?" But he didn't. He just wanted to get our opinions. Now, back to the point of this article, I'm sure Slott meant that as a joke. But that doesn't change the fact that it was in bad taste. I doubt my employer would like it if I badmouthed a company my company works with.

  28. George Berryman - Post author

    @114 - Oh I dunno. I don't think so. Slott's use of the Caps Lock key falls somewhere between unconscious reflex and compulsion. The troll from earlier seemed capable of typing without using it.

  29. eddiebrock

    BD, George, hopefully you guys realize outsider is probably Slott himself. Look at that typing style.

  30. Big Al

    Crawlspace don't have an anti-Slott bias. They have an anti bad Spider-Man writing bias and an anti comic book professionals acting unprofessional bias. The site has a hate on for Slott? They sure didn't seem to during Superior. And to pull the curtain back a bit here...I was actually quite disappointed with the site's positive assessments of Superior since frankly I didn't think it deserved half the praise it got and was godawful.

  31. George Berryman - Post author

    @111 - “If he’s using a Spider-toilet, it’d be news here.” If this product exists, how did no one receive a virtual one during the Christmas gift podcast episode?" I would definitely have gotten Brad a Spider-Man toilet. "I would assume George has those gifs bookmarked so he can pull them out for occasions just like this." I went and found them earlier. I mean verbal explanation wasn't working with the guy so I had to figure something else out. I've worked with kids and know that children learn differently. Some learn more efficiently with practical, hands-on lessons. Some learn better with art, or through music. Efforts are made to stimulate as many senses as possible with kids. This also includes puppets. Kids freakin' love puppets. A grown-up can say stuff all day and it won't always register with a kid. But if a puppet sings it or makes it a joke a kid'll talk about it all day. So I decided to use that knowledge here as a last resort, ostensibly with an adult. We'll never know if it really worked or not. But I suspect he actually did know why it was relateable and just wanted to ignore that and act a certain way. Either way, the puppets were fun - but they're also a tool. I don't see me resorting to puppets again unless it's another extreme case.

  32. hornacek

    @97 - "If he’s using a Spider-toilet, it’d be news here." If this product exists, how did no one receive a virtual one during the Christmas gift podcast episode? @103 - "Should I be flattered that he takes so much time to google gifs of puppets just for me?" I would assume George has those gifs bookmarked so he can pull them out for occasions just like this. @105 - "It’s all connected. Do you really want to see an end to PB&amp;J?" LEAVE MY PB&amp;J ALONE!!!!!!! All of this time I have thought the Crawl Space was fair to Dan Slott, praising him for good writing but calling him out for bad writing. But this entire thread has changed my mind, they obviously hate him for no good reason. And it's always been this way. The site hates him so much that when it was announced that JMS was leaving the title and the panelists were asking who they wanted to take over, most of them said Slott because of his SM/Human Torch mini-series, which almost every panelist said was one of the best Spidey mini-series of all time. Obvious hatred. And when it was announced Slott would write the book and he was invited onto the podcast for an interview that lasted not just one, not two, but three episodes (it was like the Grinch's heart)? And the panelists remarking on what a great set of interview episodes they were? Obviously masking their hatred of Slott.

  33. hornacek

    @93 - "you’re offended by the way I spell Spiderman? Seriously? Wow…" Well, Stan and Steve went out of their way to add a hyphen to his name when they created the character, so yeah, I guess I am. This is a Spider-Man website, the least we can do is spell the guy's name right. "I didn’t invalidate myself…I said THIS has nothing to do with Spiderman. The guy writes Spiderman" Again, he WRITES Spider-Man so what he does in public has *everything* to do with Spider-Man. "In that case, somebody who works for KFC, say a cook, should never ever say 'fuck Marvel' because they’ve worked with Marvel before, right?" In that scenario, I doubt that the cook represents KFC and steers the direction KFC goes. Unless it's an episode of Undercover Boss and it's actually Colonel Sanders in disguise.

  34. George Berryman - Post author

    C'mon! We all knew it wasn't a 'final note!' :cool: @106 - <i>"Oh and before anyone jumps down my throat, I was here years ago under a name, and got banned"</i> We're shocked. Shocked! I actually called this with the other admins a couple of hours ago. Thanks for proving my point. <i>"As I said, I’ve nothing against BD or Berryman, but if Berryman is an ass to me, I will be one in return"</i> You acted like an ass towards us from your first post in this thread before I had even responded to you! Do you not see that's why you got the response you did? Either way it's moot. The stuff you posted today wasn't enough to get banned for. But since you're telling us Kevin banned you and then you came back? That's very actionable. Thanks for an entertaining afternoon, and adios!

  35. Realspideyfan

    This discussion is why this I feel is the only spidey that matters to me. As we are all fans of web head I believe this hopefully opens people's eyes at who is the person representing and who has defined spider-man for the better part of a decade. When I read interviews of writers like johnathan Hickman and Rick remender I honestly get get upset knowing what we currently have. I can't remember a time when a writer has been so disliked by his consumer. I recently read an interview of Scott Snyder writer of batman and thought wow the readers of batman have it great right now. He genuinely loved the character he writes and wants to impress and awe his characters fans it was nice to read. Instead we have slott who is hardly ever in the press for anything positive if ever. What I'm trying to get to is an article like this exists because this isn't a one time thing for slott heck not even a 3rd or 4th time thing he opens himself up to criticism when he continually acts in such a manner. If this was his first offense it wouldn't get nearly as much traction but since this is almost old hat now with him he is certainly viable for critisism. And it upsets me cause even if I liked his writing I still would not like the way he represents marvel and our spider-man but I'm not so it upsets me even more. Sorry for the rant but I just wanted to say thanks for keeping this conversation as long as it's been going so I can see I'm not the only one tired of his childish behavior and antics and hope for for better.

  36. George Berryman - Post author

    <i>"Should I be flattered that he takes so much time to google gifs of puppets just for me? Or does he do that with everyone?"</i> I've never had to bust out puppets in order to teach something here. First time. 'Flattered' might not be the correct term though. <i>"Let’s see here…you’re flat out attacking the guy, without so much as saying so…I said it was SUBTLE, which means as long as you just keep harping on how “unprofessional” he is, it avoids all accounts of insulting him personally…even though, it practically is the same thing, but you pretend it’s not."</i> There's not one personal insult in the entire editorial. Continually saying it is doesn't make it so. And if you click your heels three times you're still not going back to Kansas. <i>"So you like some of his work? Congrats, but I’ve seen far more negative things directed towards him, NOT his work mind you, from you than I’ve seen positive. This just being another prime example of that. It’s clear he pisses a lot of people here off, but I honestly believe if he didn’t, that this article would never have been made in the first place. I know I know, it’s “Spiderman related so we must post it!”, and you will forever keep on saying that, so I guess we’ll never really know, cause you can’t change the past."</i> I'm no fan, that's certain. I haven't liked his work on the book overall, for many reasons. And yes, I feel he shoudln't be writing it anymore. I've been open about that for years. All of those things are not personal insults. If I call out a football coach I don't agree with because I think he's mishandling my favorite team and say he should be replaced? Also not a personal insult. <i>"I do have a hard time grasping how Spiderman’s writer saying something about KFC has anything to do with Spiderman…how does it, again?"</i> ... The puppets failed. :( <i>"but last I checked, KFC doesn’t have anything to do with Spidey outside of making related merchandise sometimes…"</i> Wait, maybe the puppets worked a little. Okay go with that. I'll try one last time and I will talk slowly. Dan Slott writes Amazing Spider-hyphen-man. That's a book published by Disney Marvel. Disney Marvel pays him to write that for them. Disney Marvel also works with other companies to promote their characters and stories, through licensing and advertising. One of those other companies is KFC, which sells delicious chicken. So when Dan Slott says "F-ck KFC" he's badmouthing a company that his company does business with. It is unprofessional to do so. <i>"Bottom line…this horse has been beaten to death."</i> Allow me to speak for the horse then and say 'Stop, stop! I'm dead already.' <i>"I say this was posted cause of the hate on this site has for Slott and to attract quite a large amount of attention, and you will continue to say “NU UH IT’S UNPROFESSIONAL AND SINCE HE WRITES SPIDERMAN IT HAS TO BE POSTED HARE!!!” and at the end, neither one of us will get anywhere."</i> You're free to be as wrong as you want. <i>"I just hope by now that I’ve put up a good enough argument that if anyone comes here agreeing with me, they can see they’re not alone or wrong in thinking so…cause lord knows the people on this site believe they are. Or maybe they’re just in denial of their own bitterness…."</i> Keep reachin' for the stars! <i>"On a final note"</i> Another one? And I doubt we're that lucky. In fact I can almost guarantee it. <i>"I would expect more reasoning and class from a mod here, and that is quite hard to find from you, Berryman."</i> I gave you precisely the level of reasoning and class you came here to display, as was evident when you showed up saying we looked "bitter and pitiful." You showed up, acted one way and were treated in kind. If you didn't like the response you got, next time think about you're coming across. <i>"I know you don’t care, but remember…if Slott can be criticized for being unprofessional, I think you can be too ;)"</i> I don't do this for a living. <i>I do this for fun!</i> <i>"Partyhardy knows how to keep a cool head…you on the other hand seem miffed at me for expressing myself, in a way where I was careful not to insult anybody or be mean spirited…but then you came along and well…yeah, irony exists in all forms today, my friend."</i> This, again, from someone whose first post said we looked "bitter and pitiful."

  37. TheOutsider

    Oh and before anyone jumps down my throat, I was here years ago under a name, and got banned by that Cushing guy I believe, who isn't even here anymore. Don't even remember what I was banned for, but I'm sure that's not a surprise that I was, eh? Anyway, I still check out the site few times a week to read the reviews and shit, and yeah this isn't the first time I've seen the Crawlspace attack Slott for saying something dumb or doing something dumb...hence why I chose now to speak up about it, after usually just remaining quiet. As I said, I've nothing against BD or Berryman, but if Berryman is an ass to me, I will be one in return...as for BD, I've seen these similar articles before and that is how I believe you do your business here, because I see no other reason to post this stuff. You do it because it's Spiderman related? Give me a break. And since I know now that everyone here is gonna be "He's just a bitter guy who got banned and wants revenge, ignore him he's crazy blah blah blah!", nope not the case, as that was like...at least three years ago now, and I have no bitterness or hatred toward the site or it's people, as I stated. I don't care to take revenge or return, as the messageboards are a little slow now so I'd have nothing to post about anyways. I am just simply stating my opinion, one that is in disagreement with 95% of the people who use this site...but that doesn't mean I should back down and follow them like a sheep. Like I said, I call out hypocrisy when I see it, and don't feed me shit and tell me it's chocolate...that's why I posted. Although by now I can see how redundant it's all getting....

  38. BD

    Ok. I'm not going to get puppets out but let's do hypothetical. *Joe Blow works for a peanut butter factory. *Joe Blow goes onto Twitter and insults a jelly factory that works closely with his company. *The Jelly factory sees the post, calls the peanut butter factory and cancels a big order. *Joe Blow's boss gets wind of the loss of money and pulled revenue. It's all connected. Do you really want to see an end to PB&J? Lol What you say has consequences in business. The Editorial question if what Slott said was professional.

  39. TheOutsider

    @BD *So I spell Spiderman differently than you do, a terrible sin, I know. *This is still not Spiderman related....I just can't stress that enough, just because it involves his writer doesn't mean it involves him...what Slott wrote has NOTHING to do with Spiderman. *Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Personally I don't think it is, but I'm not here to defend him on that. *You're purposefully posting this under the guise that you're asking a question of what's professional, when all I really see here is a bait tactic to get people talking, much like a tabloid paper makes up stores about celebs. This is not made up, but I 100% believe the only reasons you post this is because you know it's gonna get 100 comments...as it has before. And also, because yeah there's a bit of resentment there on your part towards Slott. *See above *I have no personal animosity towards you BD, I just got annoyed by how you handle your business sometimes, and got rather sick of everyone treating the Crawlspace like it's perfect and can do no wrong. I'm just trying to tell you all that your site is not perfect either. *If you shut the site down, then how would that be fun for you or anyone else? You're not gonna shut the site down because you dislike a person. But I still believe you post this because of what Slott has said in the past about the Crawlspace...so posting stuff where he looks bad you are able to gain a tiny measure of revenge against the guy. AND the hits. The hits it generates. In either case, I see it as being bait to attract a huge discussion here and gain in the revenue...which again, is smart. But just don't feed me shit and tell me it's chocolate, ya get me? *I believe this article is stretching it to the extreme, and just makes the site look petty and pitiful. I don't remember outright insulting you here, but I am expressing how it LOOKS to me, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. At the end of the day, it's your site though and if you want people to continue to think of it as a Slott hate messageboard, then that's up to you.

  40. TheOutsider

    Should I be flattered that he takes so much time to google gifs of puppets just for me? Or does he do that with everyone? Let's see here...you're flat out attacking the guy, without so much as saying so...I said it was SUBTLE, which means as long as you just keep harping on how "unprofessional" he is, it avoids all accounts of insulting him personally...even though, it practically is the same thing, but you pretend it's not. So you like some of his work? Congrats, but I've seen far more negative things directed towards him, NOT his work mind you, from you than I've seen positive. This just being another prime example of that. It's clear he pisses a lot of people here off, but I honestly believe if he didn't, that this article would never have been made in the first place. I know I know, it's "Spiderman related so we must post it!", and you will forever keep on saying that, so I guess we'll never really know, cause you can't change the past. I do have a hard time grasping how Spiderman's writer saying something about KFC has anything to do with Spiderman...how does it, again? Is Spiderman involved? Or is it the guy who writes him? Are we talking about Spiderman specifically here, or the guy that writes him? The name is SPIDERMANCRAWLSPACE, right? Not SLOTTCRAWLSPACE. Or am I perhaps mistaken? You joke by saying "if he uses a Spiderman toilet we'll post it" but last I checked, KFC doesn't have anything to do with Spidey outside of making related merchandise sometimes...so I don't think it would matter if Slott used a Spiderman toilet or not. If he went for a shit and he writes Spiderman, then I wanna see it posted here, damnit. Bad example I know, but I don't quite know how else to put it...again, this has nothing to do with Spidey, and, ah hell, I'm gonna stop saying that, cause you're never gonna believe it anyway. This was still blown waaaayyyy out of proportion, but again if you didn't, you wouldn't get half these comments for it, so. Hell, you should probably thank me for this, since a lot of these comments today are coming from me...and that's sort of ironic, isn't it? Bottom line...this horse has been beaten to death. I say this was posted cause of the hate on this site has for Slott and to attract quite a large amount of attention, and you will continue to say "NU UH IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL AND SINCE HE WRITES SPIDERMAN IT HAS TO BE POSTED HARE!!!" and at the end, neither one of us will get anywhere. I just hope by now that I've put up a good enough argument that if anyone comes here agreeing with me, they can see they're not alone or wrong in thinking so...cause lord knows the people on this site believe they are. Or maybe they're just in denial of their own bitterness.... On a final note, I would expect more reasoning and class from a mod here, and that is quite hard to find from you, Berryman. I know you don't care, but remember...if Slott can be criticized for being unprofessional, I think you can be too ;) Partyhardy knows how to keep a cool head...you on the other hand seem miffed at me for expressing myself, in a way where I was careful not to insult anybody or be mean spirited...but then you came along and well...yeah, irony exists in all forms today, my friend.

  41. George Berryman - Post author

    @101 - "On a different note, George wins the internet for the day for busting out freaking puppets to prove his point." I am always happy to help educate and puppets are a decades-old, proven education tool. The teacher in me is always looking for ideas on how to help others. Learning is fun! http://www.puppetsineducation.org/

  42. BD

    @The Outsider Here's some bullet points to address you. *Yes, the multiple times you misspell Spider-Man is annoying. It also doesn't help your argument. *As has been said before, we cover all things Spider-Man. If Slott saved a bunch of puppies from a burning building I guarantee I'd be one of the first to put it up on the front page. *Slott writes Spider-Man. Him insulting a company that works with his employer is unprofessional. Hence the whole theme of the editorial. *Do I post articles on the front page that will get hits, yes. Show me a webmaster that doesn't. I enjoy discussion on the site hence why I have a Spider-Man community. Believe it or not, I actually like reading your opposing viewpoint. I wouldn't want this to be an echo chamber. Even if you've thrown a few insults my way. For being an outsider, you sure think you have some inside information how I work. *Everyone has freedom of speech, at least in the United States. There are also consequences of your speech. This unprofessional tweet could affect his paycheck. It's an editorial that is raising that question. How you fall on the editorial is your choice. *How about you come forward and use a name you've used before? Have you been banned from the site? Were you wronged by me? *Do I hate Dan Slott and go out of my way to attack him? If that were true every grade this site handed out to his work would be an F. If I hated Dan Slott, I'd close up this site so he didn't get any extra attention. On a different note, George wins the internet for the day for busting out freaking puppets to prove his point. OMG that was funny.

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