Spider-Dad wrote:I agree that under normal Fight Club situations, that would apply. However, these characters by design are illogical, satirical and whimsical, when using logic most of their stories don't make sense.
I think you're getting too metaphysical there. Or just thinking about this too much.
First of all, I don't see why this match has to be any different than the other matches. There ARE rules that do apply to both Felix and Itchy. You mentioned that writers could make them fly if they wanted to. Except that there's no evidence of them flying "on a whim." If I can come up with evidence that Itchy has shown flight in the cartoon, I would use it. But there isn't it. I can't just "make up" powers on the basis that they are cartoon characters.
What I can use is abilities to which there's plenty of evidence. Drawing weapons out of thin air is something that Itchy has shown plenty of times. I've made arguments based on what is known and proved about Itchy. I could argue he's a weapons expert because that is explicitly shown.
I couldn't say, for instance, that Itchy has x-ray vision, or that he can bend metal with magnetism, or shatter planets with his feet because "there are illogical, satirical, and whimsical characters. Who says they CAN'T do those things?" It just doesn't work that way.
Spider-Dad wrote:Like FSUSpiderman said, it is like pitting MIckey Mouse against Bugs Bunny. But I disagree with FSU, that you can say that about "any" character. Most characters have limits or rules. We know Spider-Man can't fly, Kryptonite hurts Superman and 3 government agencies can cause a Rick Perry brain freeze. But if Itchy can produce a bazooka out of thin air and Felix can turn his tail into a shovel, it is ANYTHING GOES, there are no rules.
Writers have been known to break those rules and limits you mention. I've seen Spider-Man fly in Chaos War when he was given a portion of Hercules' power. I've seen stories where Kryptonite doesn't harm Supes.
But, like I said, there ARE rules to what Itchy and Felix can do. At the very least, here in Fight Club, they are limited to their cartoons have shown them capable of doing.
Remember the Douglas Classic? Bugs Bunny won that. No one ever argued that Bugs Bunny could hulk out or breath fire. Again, only what is known about Bugs Bunny was used.
Spider-Dad wrote:So using Simpsons "canon if you will, everyone is arguing that Itchy will murder Felix the cat based upon what he has acheived against Scratchy. Well, either Scratchy has the best healing factor in all of fiction, or Itchy is pretty ineffective. So we see Itchy mame, behead, chop up and bloody Scratchy all the time, but Scratchy still survives. So for what has been shown in the Simpson's, Itchy IS homicidal, but can't really take out Scratchy. So Itchy maybe creative in his ability to attack, bottom line, Scratchy still stands. Since Scratchy is merely a prop for Itchy, he has met his match when it comes to a feline that actually will not just stand there and "take it'.
The main problem with that is that you keep forgetting Fight Club rules. It's first fall. Itchy doesn't have to kill Felix. He just has to make him unable to fight, which beheading can do instantly.
Let's go back to that Bugs Bunny example. Have you known Bugs Bunny to kill his opponents in his animated shorts? Not that I recall. But he won because he's bested his opponents countless times. It's not a fight to the death. Just a KO.
Spider-Dad wrote:I stand by Felix...
Your standing by him for reasons that have no bearing on the match itself.