Secret Wars (2015) #3 Review: Stillanerd’s Take

SecretWars(2015)#3--cover“What’re…I mean how are you…here?”

You know, it’s very odd when you have this third chapter of a series called Secret Wars, which takes taking place on a planet called Battleworld no less, and there’s not a single fight takes place whatsoever. None whatsoever. Not even so much as a punch. But oddly enough in the case of this issue, it turns out that’s a good thing.

“Part 3, The Eye of Doom”

WRITER & DESIGNER: Jonathan Hickman
ARTIST: Esad Ribic
COLOR ARTIST: Ive Svorcina
LETTERER: Chris Eliopoulos
COVER: Alex Ross
VARIANT COVERS: Marguerite Sauvage; Tomm Coker; Bob McLeod; Nick Bradshaw; Simone Bianchi & Simone Peruzzi; John Tyler Christopher
ASSISTANT EDITORS: John Moisan & Alanna Smith
EDITORS: Tom Brevoort with Wil Moss

THE STORY: Sheriff Strange is updating God Emperor Doom of current events taking place on Battleworld, but Doom finds what he considers reports of minor transgressions dull and uninteresting, asking why Strange even bothers. Strange reminds Doom that while he is omnipotent he is not omniscient, and thus needs to be ready for potential threats. Doom states they will face whatever dangers may come “in the order they present themselves.” As they walk through Castle Doom’s garden, with includes a statue of the Molecule Man, Strange reminds Doom how he was given the opportunity to become a god himself but refused, yet reaffirms that in spite of their disagreements, he will continue to safeguard Doom’s kingdom because what little they have left of the old universe is so precious. Doom says this is why he’s not worried about minor threats because he knows Strange, as his Right Hand, will take care of them. It is then Strange receives “foreboding news from Doomguard” about the slain Elder Thor from last issue.

Strange later arrives at Utopolis and the site of the Cabal’s Life Raft, where the Thors, including the Young Thor, have already gathered around the body of their fallen comrade. Using a more powerful Eye of Agamotto created by Doom to replace the one he lost, Strange is able to learn about the Cabal, and that someone else is still inside the Life Raft. Strange orders the Thors to search for the Cabal, while the Young Thor stays behind as Strange turns the Elder Thor’s body into a statue. Then Strange orders the person still in the Life Raft to come out and it’s…Miles Morales, the Ultimate Universe Spider-Man! Turns out he sneaked aboard and hid on the Cabal’s raft during the Final Incursion; and to Strange’s shock, Miles still remembers what used to exist before Battleworld.

Back at Castle Doom, Doom and his consort, Susan Storm, are watching Franklin and Valeria play on the Galactus Sentinel. Susan used her invisibility to walk in the Great Square where she heard people singing a folk song about her brother. We learn that Johnny Storm tried to defy Doom, and that Doom would have killed him or exiled him, but left his punishment up to Susan. So Susan choose for Doom to turn her brother into the sun (which orbits around Battleworld instead of the other way around) as a means of honoring him. Doom points out how a religion has sprung up around Johnny, and Susan adds how some believed the reason Battleworld didn’t have a sun at first was because Doom was “offended at the idea of something shining brighter in the sky than him.” Doom agrees, but being no longer as prideful as he once was, thinks it would have been better if he had an “unseen god,” believing he is the one flaw in his otherwise perfect world. Susan reassures him that he’s not and, taking off his mask to caress his face—which for all Doom’s power he cannon heal—she tells Doom he should let the people see what she sees: “a god with great love for his people.”

Meanwhile, at the “Hidden Isle of Agamotto,” Strange takes Miles and the rookie Thor to another Life Raft which he’s kept hidden from even Doom. Strange tells the Young Thor to open Cabal’s life raft, and out comes the 616 Peter Parker/Spider-Man, Star-Lord, Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel, Jane Foster/Thor and Cyclops who is still possessed by the Phoenix Force. Though Strange is skeptical as to whether they’re really survivors from Earth-616, he’s reassured once Black Panther and Reed Richards also exit the Raft and is given the Illuminati greeting. While Reed laments the loss of his family, and the others ask where they are and what happened. Strange explains it’s been eight years since the Final Incursion, that Doom recreated the universe from the remnants of Incursions, mostly from the 616 Earth, and (due to the passage of time and synchronizing the histories of different Earths) no one remembers any worlds having ever existed before Battleworld. Strange also confess he found their ship three years ago and choose not to open it. When he hears this, a furious Reed demands to know why Strange allowed Doom to have absolute power as a god, and why Strange kept them “buried alive” in the Life Raft for so long. Strange answers it’s because “[Doom] is very good at playing God.”

At a campfire, the Cabal debates their next move. Some want to split-up to explore Battleworld, while others remark how they should have kept the old Thor alive as he knew more than the moloid. Thanos, however, says there was “no need for mercy” and that the answers to their questions will find them. When he’s asked why, Thanos tells them “Because, I am looking up.” And soon the rest of the Cabal sees what Thanos sees…several Thors descending from the sky to face them.

THOUGHTS: Superhero comics, buried among its stories of people with extraordinary powers wearing colorful costumes, are often about power. It asks us questions such as what is power, and what does it mean to have it? If we had the power to do something, does that mean we should also use that power? Does, as fans of Spider-Man are well aware, having great power really mean one must have greater responsibility, and more importantly, responsibility to what? For writer Jonathan Hickman, it isn’t just the more power one has, the greater the responsibility—constant sacrifice is required to do the greater good. Yet what is often ends up being sacrificed is the truth; and while those who have power believe they must know all, they also believe secrets must be kept to protect others and mostly themselves. But what those with power tend to forget is no matter how deep the truth is hidden and buried, it one day can be uncovered and exposed to the light.

SecretWars(2015)#3--p7It’s this pursuit of truth in face of absolute power which becomes a driving and persistent theme in Jonathan Hickman’s latest chapter of Secret Wars. In every scene, someone is either trying to give information, looking for or demanding answers, or trying hide the truth under the belief they’re doing so for the good of the realm. This makes what is a story consisting of nothing but dialogue and exposition not only but essential. After all, having been properly introduced to Battleworld in the pages of Secret Wars (2015) #2, along with its various kingdoms, people and conflicts in the first of many tie-in comics, it only makes sense Hickman should start giving us much-needed answers. Some of what we learn, such as Doom really being omnipotent and creating Battleworld out of the fragments of the multiverse, confirms what we may have already suspected. Others, such as how old Battleworld really is, comes as much of a shock to us as it does to the other characters. Yet writer Jonathan Hickman still maintains enough mystery to keep us intrigued and makes a tacit promise that, as Thanos states, the answers will come to us if we let them.

This also allows for some rather fascinating and insightful character exploration of the two people behind the running of Battleworld, Doctor Strange and Doctor Doom. In the opening scene, Hickman shows us that in spite their philosophical differences, years of being allies united for a common cause have developed into mutual respect and friendship. Yet, there still is an unspoken tension between them. Strange in choosing servitude over absolute power, of enforcing the rule of law, is emblematic of traditional superhero roles. Yet he is an enforcer of what amounts to a benevolent dictatorship in a society entirely based around keeping it’s citizens ignorant of the truth as possible, while at the same time preoccupies himself with the most banal intelligence gathering in the name of security. There is also a subtext that Strange, in spite of his loyalty, is growing more concerned (and perhaps a bit resentful) over the Doom’s approach to leadership, and perhaps for good reason as we see Strange is the one who is doing most of the heavy lifting when it comes maintaining the affairs of the state. It is also ironic that the person who insists of informing Doom of even the most “banal” of goings on in Battleworld should also be keeping from him what is potentially the greatest threat to his rule.

SecretWars(2015)#3--p11Yet the irony is Doom doesn’t really want to know everything that is happening on Battleworld. Matter of fact, the man who did everything to obtain god-like status, who succeed in creating the world he wanted for himself, is now at the point in his life where he wishes he can just walk away and live on in obscurity, believing it would inspire greater inspiration and faith among his subjects. Even more ironic is that Susan, a woman who has the power to become invisible, is the who persuades Doom to be a ruler who walks among his people and be more available to them instead of living a life of seclusion. That their scene together concludes with us seeing, for the very first time in fifty-three years, what Doom’s face really looks like under his mask, serves to underscore this is no longer the vain, self-important despot which has defined Marvel’s most notorious and infamous super-villain. Doom may still be an aristocrat, but he’s also achieved true nobility, and I have the sense that, towards the end of Secret Wars, he may make the ultimate sacrifice and relinquish his paradise by restoring what the universe once was to save it.

However, although Doom may be a different man, Reed Richards is not, and Hickman is laying the groundwork for an emotionally contentious reunion not only between himself and Doom, but with his wife who has now fallen in love with his bitter enemy. For Susan to move on under the belief she’s lost her husband is understandable, but that she’s willingly in a relationship with Doom, that her devotion to him has become even greater than towards her own brother is shocking. Sure, her request to have the Human Torch become Battleworld’s sun is a kind of mercy and does immortalize him in ways even she couldn’t have imagined, but one can’t help but ask how exactly did she turn out like this? (UPDATE: In an interview with Comic Book Resources, Jonathan Hickman has confirmed the Susan Storm who is Doom’s consort and wife is not the 616 Susan, that this Susan and the Johnny Storm who became the Sun are from a different Earth, and confirms the 616 versions of Susan and the rest of the Fantastic Four and the Future Foundation really did die back in issue #1. That certainly put a whole new wrinkle on this, not to mention says a lot about Doom on a psychological level to say the least. Not to mention make things for Reed all the more harder in seeing an alternate version of his deceased family with Doom.)

Therein lies the major flaw with this comic. Because although Hickman provides us with answers, and we’re provided hints about what has taken place before the events of this story, he doesn’t give us any context for them. We know Strange, Doom and even Susan are doing everything they can to keep up and protect Battleworld but we don’t understand why they seem to see as a “precious” or “perfect” world that needs to be maintained and protected. We know they had to make sacrifices given the statue of the Molecule Man and the fate of the Human Torch, but knowing what happened is not the same thing as witnessing what happened. For all their talk about what happened sometime during their eight years on Battleworld, we’ve never had the chance to see and experience them for ourselves as readers. No matter how excellent as the characterization and dialogue are, it’s difficult to have any emotional investment in it other than surprise or shock.

SecretWars(2015)#3---p17Even Esad Ribic’s art seems to have it’s occasional misfire when providing a proper emotional beat in spite of all it’s gorgeous splendor. One can smile in childlike wonder when we see Franklin and Valeria Richards playing with glowing building blocks on Galactus’ hand, or look upon in awe, excitement and dread as we see a squadron of Thor descend from cold night sky as Thanos coldly stares back, but unfortunately, he still misses wide of the mark when it comes to facial expressions. The scene when Strange tells the 616 Life Raft survivors Doom is the one who saved everyone and is now the god of Battleworld, for example, is intended to make us be as dumbfounded as the survivors; only we cannot help but laugh because the wide-eyed, open-mouthed look of their faces, which Ribic appears to always draw, is so over-the-top. Same for when we see Reed lament over what he believes is the death of his wife and children. The only exception is the wonderful close-up of Doom’s unmasked face. Although, Ribic does have a nice deft touch of subtlety, such as when the young Thor, when face-to-face with the Jane Foster Thor, begins to put away his hammer.

Secret Wars (2015) #3 doesn’t have the same impact as issue #2, in part because having seen how Battleworld works and some of its regions in series like Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows and Ultimate End, the strangeness of it has become more familiar. It does, however, give us a glimpse into the personalities of Battleworld’s leading hierarchy, and challenges us on our notions of leadership and control. After all, based on what Doom was able to salvage from the rubble of the multiverse to create this new world, he might be, as Strange concludes, the only person capable of keeping order over otherwise chaotic, war-torn realms. That includes, as Hickman appears to argue, keeping and maintaining secrets from the people, no matter how fruitless such as task may be. Because truth, no matter how painful, somehow finds a way to become uncovered.



  • Hey, look at that! Hickman is using chapter headings on his white pages! Now they don’t seem nearly as useless as before.
  • Some folks after reading issue #2 wondered if Doom really did have any godlike powers. Well, we get a more impressive display here in that, with a mere wave of his hand, Doom can rearrange rooms so that what used to be solid walls have open archways to luscious gardens. At least if Doom did decide to abdicate being ruler of Battleworld, he’d make for the perfect interior decorator and/or landscape artist.
  • “…bad guys, because who else dresses that way?” Well, technically superheroes also can dress that way, Miles. But I’ll forgive you because that bit of sarcasm was one of the best lines in the entire comic.
  • So I’d be very curious about what the lyrics for “The Man in the Sun” are, not only because it’s apparently a folk song about the Human Torch, but whether it sounds like “The Man in the Moon Came Down Too Soon” nursery rhyme, or R.E.M.’s “Man on the Moon.”
  • And it look as though the “The True Face of Doctor Doom” painting the Black Cat stole in Superior Foes of Spider-Man will now be worthless after all. That is if Doom really is going to follow Susan’s advice and show his face in public. Then again, given how his face looks, maybe everyone will mistake him for Deadpool.
  • Okay I’ve got to ask: what is up with Carol’s hair? One panel it looks she’s sporting a Mohawk like Storm, but then the next panels we see it’s all slicked back that it looks like she has a mullet and blow dried her hair in a wind tunnel.
  • Did Reed put on some black bikini briefs while he was in hibernation aboard the Life Raft? And it sure looks like it shrunk while he was in deep freeze, or his stretching powers were acting up again, if you know what I mean.
  • “Well, you sound like an idiot…” Yeah, I’m going to have to agree with Carol in that Strange going into some daft postmodernism when he questioned whether or not the 616 survivors were from the 616 with his whole “Am I really who you think I am” and “Are you really you?” spiel. That being said, it does raise an interesting question in light of Brian Michael Bendis’ Ultimate End tie-in. Since the Spider-Man who exits the Life Raft really is from the 616, then who is the 616 Spider-Man in Ultimate End? Does Ultimate End #1 take place after Secret Wars (2014) #3, or is the supposed 616 Spidey in Ultimate End a fabrication created by Doom? For that matter, was everyone on Battleworld with the exception of Doom, Strange, Susan and her kids, the survivors on Reed’s Raft and the Cabal, created by Doom?
  • “It’s quite simple, really. Exactly how well do you remember eight years ago?” Nice try, Strange, but while it’s true to say that memory is fickle even for relatively short periods, the moment you said how “it took constant effort to synchronize the new history with the old” and how Doom “controls the areas of study in the ministries of science,” all of that’s fancy talk for “Doom and I brainwashed everybody.” Course if you said that, you wouldn’t have looked nearly as good, would you?
  • So what exactly are the Cabal roasting and eating when making camp, a…goat-cow? Or is that a cow-goat? Does it taste like lamb chops or sirloin? Although since it seems to have drumsticks, maybe, like rattlesnake, it tastes like chicken?
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(17) Comments

  1. Jason

    @1 I took it as the heroes were in some sort of suspended animation while the world just passed them by. I also believe the Sue Storm is not the 616 version. I can't see her getting in bed with the enemy. We'll only know for sure when Reed and Sue meet up. @7 Doom would need to say that if say he's the 616 version and she's not. (and of course I post this knowing it's been confirmed she's not the 616 version. So in Spider-Verse #1 there's no Spider-Man. Is that because he's been on the Life Raft and has been "missing" for eight years, or did he really die?

  2. asdf

    #15 Miles remembers cause he was on the liferaft. The Cabal, and the MU Avengers remember, too. Doom doesn't even know about the liferafts at this point, and everyone on Battleworld but the liferafters, Doom, and Strange were recreated by Doom. And he's been manipulating their memories for years to keep them from remembering. Mephisto's status though, seems unclear. My guess is he'd be in Inferno, and if anything, he's FAR more concerned about wanting to take back power. And Doom is still Doom, but for Strange, he's working with him because the choice was basically this or non-existence of the universe. He didn't really have much choice in that matter.

  3. Jason

    I’m surprised you didn’t make mention, in your review (other than the nitpicks), the fact that nobody is supposed to remember what happened before Battleworld. Why is that? Why does Miles remember? And if nobody is supposed to remember pre-Battleworld, does that mean Mephisto, if he exists, doesn’t remember his deal with MJ? So is Doom supposed to be the same evil doom that fought against the Fantastic Four, and Spider-Man at one point? Or is he supposed to be seen as a good person who created the world? I’m also struggling to get a read on Strange. Going with the theory that Doom is evil, Strange siding with Doom seems, well, strange. *L* But why is he talking to Reed like they’re still friends, instead of possible enemies?

  4. Evan

    I hope that when Reed sees that his wife (alternate or not) married Doom, he doesn't go the way of Ultimate Reed, the potential for which I guess the cover seems to remind us.

  5. Jack

    For the people asking about Doom's face, in the Future Foundation series from a couple years Doom tried to kill a watcher after gaining cosmic power. Killing a Watcher is a cosmic crime so one of the celestials in the marvel universe cursed his face to become scared for every terrible thing he does and that it can never be cured. Of course that series also ended with Scott Lang (second Ant-man) beating up Doom, crippling his military, and mentally scarring him and no one ever mentions it so I'm not sure how canon that still is.

  6. Al

    @#8-Brining Miles Morales in wasn’t necessary? Wasn’t this whole event ostensibly cooked up SO Miles could be in the 616 universe? @#10-He says they are dead and gone but hey, there is always hope they could come back. If everyone in the Multiverse died and somehow got resurrected by Doom there is hope for them yet. @#11-Renew Your Vows will have ‘elements’ going forward. With the Maestro Hulk though wasn’t he from the old universe though? He was in Spider-Man 2099?

  7. Stillanerd - Post author

    @#9 jack -- <blockquote>Will any of the ancillary stories leave elements behind?</blockquote> Supposedly, yes. There's been confirmation that some characters from some of the Secret Wars tie-in comics such as the Maestro Hulk from Future Imperfect, Old Man Logan, etc. will survive and be part of the All-New All-Different Marvel Universe" going forward after Secret Wars.

  8. Stillanerd - Post author

    Well, I just found out the following courtesy of an interview Jonathan Hickman gave to Comic Book Resources where he was asked and answered the following: <blockquote>Q:[Doom's] placed himself in the role of Reed Richards and Sue Richard's official title on Battleworld is royal consort. So does that mean exactly what we think it means? A: She is his wife. I don't want there to be any confusion, and we'll get into it a little bit more, but the Susan and Johnny that we talk about in this issue are not the Marvel Universe Susan and Johnny that died in issue #1. Those people are dead and gone. This is a different Sue from a different Earth, and I'll leave it at that for now.</blockquote> So the good news is this is not the 616 Susan. The bad news is the 616 Susan and the rest of the Fantastic Four and the Future Foundation really are dead. I've updated the original article in light of this while keeping the original text.

  9. jack

    This main story sounds like a lot of thought went into it. The ancillary titles all sound like an avalanche of What If stories. Way too many of them. Will any of the ancillary stories leave elements behind?

  10. PeterParkerfan

    This issue turned out to be more interesting the boring snooze-fest second issue of the Secret Wars miniseries. Reading about the 616 characters is way more interesting than reading about Doctor Doom and bunch of egomaniac Thors. This issue had some good interactions to make up for the last issue's snooze-fest. Bringing Miles Morales wasn't necessary though.

  11. asdf

    #5 I highly doubt the 8 years thing will carry on through after SW. And as per Sue, I'm pretty sure she doesn't have memories of before. Note that in the conversation, Doom mentions that he's told her he wasn't always a god, which Sue really shouldn't need to have been told earlier. Also, with the showing of Doom's face, I get the distinct feeling Doom is going to die before this all ends, with the likelihood of not planning to bring him back anytime soon. Like, this has a real feeling of being the final Doom story.

  12. Al

    @#4: I just don't want the characters to be constructs because it's tantamount to making them Clones or rebooting them. I also really do not want to see them have Spider-Man 8 years out of synch with the rest of his supporting cast who've got 8 years of life experience we haven't seen and without him. It'd be too disconcerting for the story and too cosmically messed up and unrealistic for a grounded character. Missing a few weeks, even months of his life is one thing 8 years makes it hard to relate.

  13. Al

    b) I just don’t want Spider-Man (and yeah I guess the rest of 616) to be egregiously out of synch with the rest of the 616 universe. It’s too disconcerting for Spider-Man/Peter to have been absent from everyone’s lives for eight whole years. Everyone would be older than him and gone through these life experiences, making Peter to an extent a man out of time which clashes both with his everyman status and the soap opera aspect of following along with these characters. Plus it’d put a lot of the characters no longer as his contemporaries and thus make him feel old or too young or whatever when he’s around them. That plus it’d be contrived that they dodn’t care he’s been absent for 8 whole years. Logically I’d call that a dumb thing to do with the status quo of Spider-Man but...this is Marvel. c) I dunno...I’m not the biggest F4 expert but Sue and Doom have battled each other so many times and he’s done so much serious shit it seems incredibly questionable, possibly even damning to her character, for her to form a romantic relationship with him, especially given his rivalry with her husband. Maybe it isn’t unrealistic but it’s a little like the whole I AM THE SPIDER era of Spider-Man. it wasn’t unrealistic but it was still a place you probably shouldn’t have driven the character into for the sake of going forward. d) Bendis in that story though and throughout his other work has tended to not go along the company lines and do his own thing. It could just be an error or more logically it could happen post- SW #3 e) I imagine it’s a psychological block of some kind I really don’t want these characters to be constructs Doom has made. That’d just make them all clones of the originals and what we saw as the final fate of the heroes really was how they went out and that’s not a good ending for them

  14. Stillanerd - Post author

    @#1 Al -- Thanks for the reply, Al. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can: a) Correct. Also, thanks for the reminder about such a thing happening in both the first and second Secret Wars. b) Being this is Jonathan Hickman, it might be a little more complex than that. Yes, eight years have passed normally for Doom, Strange, Susan, her kids, and the Future Foundation students since the time of the Final Incursion to the present day as depicted in Secret Wars #2 and #3. However, it appears not every region takes place eight years after the original event on which their respective comic is based on. For example, it very likely the ending we saw in Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows takes place seven or eight years after the night Spidey was forced to kill Venom and the Regent came to power. However, the events of Inferno take place five years after the events of the Inferno storyline from the X-Men comics; likewise, we've been told the Civil War series takes place three years after the original series. Then there's Old Man Logan, which looks as though it takes place shortly after the original Mark Millar story, and over in Ultimate End, all the 616 and Ultimate characters appear to be the same ages as they were the last time we saw them. It's not only a patchwork of different universes, but of different times as well. The one thing they all have in common is they all believe Battleworld is the only world that has existed and that Doom is god, even though their world is literally less than a decade old. c) This issue does seem to confirm this is the 616 Susan, as she talks about how she and Doom found each other. Which makes sense in light of Secret Wars #1 as she, long with her kids, Thing, Human Torch, and the FF students, were blown out of Reed's Life Raft and drifted off into the white void, and it stand to reason Doom was the one who rescued them. And again, for Susan it's been eight years since that happened. It's likely she thought Reed had perished and, being with Doom this whole time, so it stands to reason she has moved on not knowing, of course, Reed is still alive. d) Well, that's what so baffling because the Spidey in Ultimate End #1 has the same font in his speech bubbles as the 616 characters, and seems to know and have memories of his fellow 616'ers. But, as we see here, the real 616 Spidey was aboard the Life Raft. So as to who the Spidey in Ultimate End really is, your guess is as good as mine. e) Good question. It appears that while Doom has the power to manipulate and alter reality as he sees fit, he cannot use his powers on himself. Why, we don't yet know. f) Well, another possibility is that since the 616 and Ultimate universe were the very last incursion, Manhattan as it stands now may have been the very last region to be incorporated into Battleworld. Or at least the 616 and Ultimate characters as Manhattan appears to have been there before, as it's baron is Medusa as seen in Inhumans: Atillan Rising. g) Good catch! h) That's a good point. The Spider-Heroes in Spider-Verse are definitely a unique case because even though they don't really remember their previous universe, their spider-sense is able to tell them that something is seriously wrong. It also helps that they've all been placed in the region not based on their own universe but one in which Peter appears to have been killed by Norman Osborn during The Night Gwen Stacy Died. One theory I heard about this comic is that, since, as we saw in Amazing Spider-Man #15, Spider-UK and Anya were going to create a team of Spiders to police worlds which didn't have a Spider-Man of their own, the Spiders may have arrived on the world in which the Spider-Verse Secret Wars comic takes place, right as that universe underwent an Incursion and they were revived along with whatever was left of that universe when Doom was creating Battleworld, and that's why they know something isn't right. There was also a scene in Armor Wars #1 where Tony and Pepper are talking about how they can't remember ever not being in their armor (theirs is a world in which a virus forced everyone to wear a suit of armor in order to survive) even though they also know there was a time in which they didn't.

  15. xonathan

    @1 In a world with time travel and universe making machines seems kinda silly they haven't mastered plastic surgery no?

  16. Al

    Mike...a few big important questions here: a) So...everyone on Battleworld ARE the original versions from their respective universes. Just resurrected and with edited memories??????? Doom could do that. He did that in the first Secret Wars AND the Beyonder did that in Secret Wars II with the New Mutants. b) Have the eight years passed normally? As in everyone on Earth 616 have lived 8 full years ahead of everyone on the Liferaft? So Flash, Mary Jane, Felicia, and everyone else are actually significantly OLDER than Spider-Man now and have lived 8 years worth of life? c) Do we know if this Sue Storm is the 616 version yet? Because if it is and this isn’t mind control this is...I don’t wanna say character assassination but it’s character betrayal d) Are we 100% certain Peter in Ultimate End was supposed to be 616 Spider-Man cos he could just be from any number of alternate universes? How the Hell can Doom NOT heal his own face? He was able to do exactly that in the first Secret Wars???????????? Couldn’t Ultimate End #1 just happen after Secret Wars #3 or otherwise just be an editorial slip up which Bendis is want to do? Or heck Also is the fact that Doom is keeping ‘secrets’ the reason this is called ‘Secret Wars’?????? Finally it should be noted that Spider-Verse vol 2 #1 seems to be implying that the Spider-Heroes have SOME recollection of the pre-Battleworld universe which seems to lean towards the idea they aren’t just wholesale creations by Doom

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