“F-ck KFC”
Going to keep this short and to the point.
Tonight on Twitter Dan Slott apologized to many Spider-fans who were incorrectly blocked when he began using some sort of social media automatic blocking bot. While trying to autoblock people involved in the current ‘Gamer Gate’ debacle (Google it if you want but it’s not Spider-related) he apparently plugged in a anti-Gamer Gate list… and wound up blocking many Spider-fans who had said or done nothing to him on Twitter.
This brief editorial isn’t about that though. However Mr. Slott chooses to manage his social media… well that’s all up to him. But while explaining what happened on Twitter he made the tweet you see to the right.
We went with a screenshot instead of an embedded tweet in case the original tweet is deleted. Next to the screenshot of the tweet is an Avengers related KFC promo, an Amazing Spider-Man KFC promo and a KFC kids meal promo with Hulk, the Thing and Wolverine.
KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken, owned by Yum! Brands which also owns Taco Bell and Pizza Hut) has been a business partner with Marvel in the past, doing comics promotions and even kids meal promotions involving Marvel comics and movies. Even a brief Google image search shows you exactly what I mean. Most recently they have even promoted the Marvel Universe Live show currently touring arenas & stadiums across the country.
Mr. Slott’s Twitter tirades and online feuds are the stuff of legend now, and we’ve covered them here before when he’s gone after comic fans on message boards and social media.
But all the same, I find myself asking if Disney Marvel is really and truly fine with the writer of Amazing Spider-Man (the flagship title featuring a character that brought in over a billion dollars in licensing last year) hurling venom at corporate partners?
It’s 2015. Welcome to the New Professionalism.
–George Berryman!
@97 What is happening
@97 What
@89 I try. I do want to advise you against insulting/smearing the people who run this site (calling them bitter, petty, revenge thirsty, etc.) because it invites them to respond in kind, which I can see you’re upset by. You may think it’s justified to use these words, but as someone who works with them offsite, I think they’re very unfair and upsetting characterizations. Do I agree with George’s choice of response? No, but I imagine he, like me, is PO’d by your insistence on these characterizations. That, IMO, is justifiable.
I can tell that you feel as strongly about what you say as we do about what we say, which is awesome!, but I think you’ll find that if you tone down the personal attacks, people will respond much more civilly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with disagreeing or going against the flow, but if you keep the nastiness in tow, you’re likely to get that venom spat back at you.
“I like how you’re trying so hard to throw jabs and insult me now, I must have struck a nerve. It’s kinda cute. But that really speaks for itself, doesn’t it?”
It does. The same way you show up saying “I don’t want to talk negatively about Brad, except I really do.”
“Now, you people here do know the expression, “freedom of speech”, right? Slott can say whatever he wants to say, just as people here can criticize him for it.”
Show me here where anyone has said he cannot.
“I doubt Disney, Marvel or KFC itself cares what he’s saying on Twitter…it’s just a passing thing. It would be here too if you didn’t bring it to attention and act like the sky is falling. I don’t agree that he needs to be a coperate puppet and not dare say a bad thing about anything, ever. Sponsor or not. But at the same time, I could be wrong and maybe he shouldn’t say these things…I don’t know, I don’t have a Twitter therefore I never cursed out a company that works with my boss. But that’s not really the issue here or my point. My POINT is this has been posted for the hits”
Technically everything we post here is “for hits.” Podcasts, reviews… it’s shocking but web content is genereated for hits.
“and because the people on this site (most) hate Slott and are giddy at the fact anytime they can bash the guy…without it actually looking like bashing. In a way, it’s smart, BD knows what sells and knows what generates traffic. And maybe it’s not anyone being spiteful here and they’re just doing it for the story…which is very tabloid esque still, but I digress.”
Again, you’re confusing criticism with hate. The two are not the same.
“Maybe all I really want is for you Berryman to admit your hatred of Slott and we can move on…because that is honestly why I believe the only reason this has been posted, along with the amount of comments it would receive. 80 some comments already? BD and Berryman, spiteful or bitter or not, they at least know what the people want. But I guess you can’t expect them to actually admit they hate him if true, cause then that makes them look bad.”
I guess when I was saying extremely positive things about Super Spider-Man and how it was Dan Slott’s best work ever about a year ago… yeah clearly that was just hatred.
Being critical of someone’s work or the way the comport themselves doesn’t equate to ‘hate.’ Learn the difference. There are very few things in this world I truly ‘hate.’ No one at Marvel is part of that.
“Anyway, Slott writes Spiderman…but this has nothing to do with Spiderman…AGAIN.”
Okay that’s it. Pulling out the puppets. It’s my last resort. It’s wasted anyway since you actually do get it but are just acting obtuse.
“I’ve seen Slott hatred on here before, sometimes it’s warranted when it involves Spiderman, but other times..it’s just sad and pathetic, quite frankly. No use in mincing words here. I do look forward to the future article about when Slott uses the bathroom though…since he’s the writer of Spiderman and we must know every single thing he does, I’m sure that will be posted eventually too, right? I mean, maybe Marvel doesn’t allow it’s employees to use the bathroom on their time, so if that happens, Slott is doing something terrible again that the internet must know about! Crawlspace…here for the people.”
If he’s using a Spider-toilet, it’d be news here. 😎
“I get that Slott isn’t liked around here, but posting this doesn’t help the situation for anyone…post how bad a writer he is or how the comics suck with him in control, isn’t that the general rule here? Yet here is the Crawlspace, breaking their own rule just about, but doing it in a very subtle way as so the rule isn’t actually broken. If I see hypocrisy, I like to call it out.”
How exactly is Crawlspace breaking its own rule by questioning the professionalism of Slott’s tweet? Enlighten us, please. Questioning professionalism isn’t a personal attack on someone.
“I get what you say, take a few hours break and let it go…and I will do that at some point soon. As I feel I’m just going around in a circle now, as I am pretty outnumbered and obviously everyone here just loves to hate Slott too much to see my POV. I will say I could care less if I’m banned from posting though, cause in the end whether I am or not, this discussion will die down until the next time Slott dare say something bad or use the F word somewhere, and the site posts an article about it too, hoping to generate 200 comments and also allowing the owner and mods here an even better night’s sleep….”
You’ve done nothing to be banned for. You’re not personally insulting anyone and passive aggression isn’t ban worthy. We get that you don’t like us and we’re okay with it. We just wish you’d learn to use a hyphen.
“Yeah I guess I’m pretty much done here”
“Unless Berryman wishes to attempt some humor at me again…”
Not “attempting” it so much as “doing it magnificently and effortlessly.”
@95 maybe it was. But posting that on a Spiderman fan site isn’t much better.
Slott represents Marvel. He publicly cursed out a major advertiser, who is in business with Marvel. That was stupid and unprofessional.
@92 I’m not talking about people hating on his work or loving it…THAT belongs here, and it’d be pretty damn stupid to say otherwise. But what the guy says on Twitter about something that has nothing to do with Spiderman? I think that’s why people get the impression that this is a Slott hate site…I cannot fathom how anyone new to this site would think otherwise, if this was the first thing they saw.
And no, I am not a Marvel employee…just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them the enemy, Jack.
@91 you’re offended by the way I spell Spiderman? Seriously? Wow…
I didn’t invalidate myself…I said THIS has nothing to do with Spiderman. The guy writes Spiderman, sure…But saying fuck KFC has something to do with Spiderman? In what way? Because they’re had Spiderman merchandise before? In that case, somebody who works for KFC, say a cook, should never ever say “fuck Marvel” because they’ve worked with Marvel before, right? And Marvel might be…offended or something. Or maybe a Marvel fan site will post an article about it…I dunno.
The way people talk in these comments, SOME of them not ALL, would imply they generally dislike Slott as a person too. He has insulted this site before, and the fan base, so I’m not sure if that’s unjustified…but they’re letting that blind simple logic.
It’s essential to ignore all the positive reviews this site has given Dan Slott’s work over the years, to maintain the self-serving fiction that this is a hate-Dan-Slott site.
Personally, I’ve come to assume that many of the “You hate Dan Slott, you hateful Crawlspace’ posters I seen over the years here are Marvel staff employees tasked with damage control.
@89 – “Now, you people here do know the expression, ‘freedom of speech’, right?” Yes, we are all using that right now.
“I doubt Disney, Marvel or KFC itself cares what he’s saying on Twitter” Oh, I would be very surprised if Disney and Marvel weren’t monitoring when any of their employees said something questionable or offensive online.
“My POINT is this has been posted for the hits, and because the people on this site (most) hate Slott” I would say the people on this site mostly hate Slott’s writing. Some people may not like him, but to say that most people here hate him as a person is too far.
“Slott writes Spiderman…but this has nothing to do with Spiderman” You just invalidated the second part of that statement with the first part.
“this discussion will die down until the next time Slott dare say something bad or use the F word somewhere, and the site posts an article about it too, hoping to generate 200 comments and also allowing the owner and mods here an even better night’s sleep….” Yes, I’m sure that at the start of every month, Brad holds a Crawl Space meeting to discuss their plans of how they can spend the next 30 days attacking Dan Slott.
Finally how hard is it to use a hyphen? Just reach up 2 rows with your right pinky. I had to practice that row in typing class for a week, but it was worth it.
@85 – I have seen other people on this site having the same problem but it seems to happen to me the most. 🙁
In the past when it’s rejected a comment, usually when I add a single space between every letter and resubmit, it worked. Or if I just change a few words here and there, enough to make it different, that has worked too.
It’s not frequent – the last time was probably over a few months ago. And it has happened from my home computer, my work computer, the public-use computer at work for everyone to use. And I bought a new PC last month so it couldn’t have been just my old computer.
I think WordPress hates the Utah Jazz. 🙂
@Berryman I like how you’re trying so hard to throw jabs and insult me now, I must have struck a nerve. It’s kinda cute. But that really speaks for itself, doesn’t it?
Now, you people here do know the expression, “freedom of speech”, right? Slott can say whatever he wants to say, just as people here can criticize him for it. I doubt Disney, Marvel or KFC itself cares what he’s saying on Twitter…it’s just a passing thing. It would be here too if you didn’t bring it to attention and act like the sky is falling. I don’t agree that he needs to be a coperate puppet and not dare say a bad thing about anything, ever. Sponsor or not. But at the same time, I could be wrong and maybe he shouldn’t say these things…I don’t know, I don’t have a Twitter therefore I never cursed out a company that works with my boss. But that’s not really the issue here or my point. My POINT is this has been posted for the hits, and because the people on this site (most) hate Slott and are giddy at the fact anytime they can bash the guy…without it actually looking like bashing. In a way, it’s smart, BD knows what sells and knows what generates traffic. And maybe it’s not anyone being spiteful here and they’re just doing it for the story…which is very tabloid esque still, but I digress.
I just feel that bringing it to the attention here and calling people out for it is warranted. Because how it appears to me is how it’s gonna appear to other people as well, whether it’s few or many…and I can’t imagine having a reputation like that for the site is healthy. But again, it’s not my site, it’s not my business…and it would appear I’m in the minority here anyway, of those that find this annoying. Although I do think most everyone here is “RAH RAH SLOTT IS WRONG” because nobody here likes him as a writer…or a person, judging by what he’s said before, so anytime the guy gets called out for being wrong, they’re all for it. Maybe all I really want is for you Berryman to admit your hatred of Slott and we can move on…because that is honestly why I believe the only reason this has been posted, along with the amount of comments it would receive. 80 some comments already? BD and Berryman, spiteful or bitter or not, they at least know what the people want. But I guess you can’t expect them to actually admit they hate him if true, cause then that makes them look bad.
Anyway, Slott writes Spiderman…but this has nothing to do with Spiderman…AGAIN. I can say that til I’m blue in the face and it would appear none would agree with me…so maybe you should talk to your tree, Berryman. At least it can’t disagree with you.
I’ve seen Slott hatred on here before, sometimes it’s warranted when it involves Spiderman, but other times..it’s just sad and pathetic, quite frankly. No use in mincing words here. I do look forward to the future article about when Slott uses the bathroom though…since he’s the writer of Spiderman and we must know every single thing he does, I’m sure that will be posted eventually too, right? I mean, maybe Marvel doesn’t allow it’s employees to use the bathroom on their time, so if that happens, Slott is doing something terrible again that the internet must know about! Crawlspace…here for the people.
@80 Partyhardy, thank you. I guess you’re new to the team and I have no idea who you are, but I appreciate you being civil and keeping a cool head. And I get what you’re saying too, and I don’t usually post here, but when I see shit like this being posted where the site is just inviting people to hate on a person? I kinda get a little ticked off and annoyed and can’t help but say something. I get that Slott isn’t liked around here, but posting this doesn’t help the situation for anyone…post how bad a writer he is or how the comics suck with him in control, isn’t that the general rule here? Yet here is the Crawlspace, breaking their own rule just about, but doing it in a very subtle way as so the rule isn’t actually broken. If I see hypocrisy, I like to call it out.
I get what you say, take a few hours break and let it go…and I will do that at some point soon. As I feel I’m just going around in a circle now, as I am pretty outnumbered and obviously everyone here just loves to hate Slott too much to see my POV. I will say I could care less if I’m banned from posting though, cause in the end whether I am or not, this discussion will die down until the next time Slott dare say something bad or use the F word somewhere, and the site posts an article about it too, hoping to generate 200 comments and also allowing the owner and mods here an even better night’s sleep….
Yeah I guess I’m pretty much done here, unless Berryman wishes to attempt some humor at me again…I think I made some spelling mistakes up there, so I mean, I am making it pretty easy for him. He should thank me for that.
@71 – “Also, this is a Spder-Man site. It reported something that the writer of Amazing Spider-Man posted. Thanks for doing your job!”
You’re welcome, Danbbqman!! 🙂
That about sums it up JDWojton! 😎
I think I can summarize easily: Dan Slott, as a representative of Marvel Comics in any capacity, acted unprofessionally. Period. Crawlspace does not resort to hating (I can’t believe I used that term!) on any individual. They report anything Spider-Man related. Period.
I have absolutely no idea why WordPress dislikes your posts hornacek. In all the years I’ve posted here… with links, pics, videos, etc… it’s only put my comment into the hopper one time. 🙁
@83 I know right?? It really upsets me when people forget who sees what they post on social media. And the least you can do is apologize when someone calls you out on it, not start acting like they’re out to get you.
I’ve tried half a dozen times to rephrase what I was trying to say in #79 and it doesn’t get posted every time. I give up. 🙁
I would go on Twitter and say “F@CK WORDPRESS” but (a) if my employer found out they might not like it, and (b) I have followers that I wouldn’t want them to think I go on Twitter saying “F THIS” and “F THAT”. Maybe I’m a prude, but that’s my biggest beef with this story. I bet Slott has a lot of followers that only follow him because of ASM, and some of them are kids (yes, kids do still read comic books). Should an adult be saying “F@CK KFC” when he knows that kids are following his Twitter? Shouldn’t he act better than that?
@81 I thought you were trying to literally spell it out lol xD
@79 – damnit, usually when my post won’t post and I add spaces between letters it accepts it and removes those spaces!
@74 Ugh quit oppressing me with your football I have to work tonight and it’s gonna suck TT_TT
(broke up this post because it wouldn’t post all at once)
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“you got the okay from BD to post this… regardless, I’m sure BD would have no problem posting this either, as he has in the past, and I’ve already seen him comment.”
I’m not saying he doesn’t agree with it. He and I were already talking about this last night when I decided to post it.
“The guy posted something not Spiderman related…”
Posting this very slowly so you can follow along with everyone else. Take a moment. Look at it twice if you have to. Oh and it’s Spider-Man. It’s actually two words. 😎
Let me know if that didn’t work. I don’t have time for a venn diagram to show the relation here between Disney Marvel, Slott and KFC on this issue but I’ll ready the puppets. Maybe they can make the magic happen in a way that makes it clear.
“… and you post it on a Spiderman site…because he writes Spiderman? And you don’t think that’s stretching even a little bit? Come on now….”
What part of “we cover Spider-related things here” escapes you?
“Those examples you listed are Spiderman RELATED, right? Except maybe the Stan Lee bit, but that’s not exactly negative towards him, it’s something in his favor…which makes this entirely different. Again, the guy wrote a Twitter post, having NOTHING to do with Spiderman…”
“it’s as simple as it sounds. It shouldn’t be on this site, but it is because you know what will attract the most comments, and probably even makes the people here who were trolled or hated on by Slott before feel a little better about themselves. It’s just a personal war the site has against Slott, that’s really as simple as it gets here. That’s okay though, you won’t sleep over me thinking that way, as you said. And maybe you can sleep a little bit better knowing you “one uped” Slott again…or…something.”
We don’t feel like we’ve “one-upped” anyone.
The writer of Amazing Spider-Man badmouthed a company that does business with the company that pays him to write that book and which has even promoted his character before. If you cannot understand that, we really can’t help you from here on out. It’s not rocket science. The tree outside my window is capable of understanding how that makes it Spider-Related.
@70 I get and appreciate that you’re trying to illustrate another side to this discussion 🙂 If you find yourself getting too caught up in this, I’d recommend taking a few hours or as much time as you need to detox. I know how consuming this kind of drama can be, especially when you feel like you have to shout over everyone else to be heard. For what it’s worth, when I was invited onto the podcast, I was rather wary of all the accusations of negativity that were going around. However, BD and the gang have been nothing but hospitable to me, and I’ve come to the conclusion that many of these accusations are inaccurate. Sure, they can be jaded and cynical, but I’d never call them bitter or petty. These are my personal experiences and judgments, so make of them what you will. I don’t think anyone here lauds the CS to the point of deification, and if they do, you’re absolutely right, and these people should look first to their own opinions and interpretations. However, keep in mind that a lot of these people, in defending the site, are also defending their own opinions. I can see where you’re coming from in your concerns, but I think you’re starting to take it too far. Take a break and cool down a bit, k? 🙂
The idea that this website would post anti-Slott stories to increase hits to the website, like it’s in trouble of being canceled and has to try outside-the-box ideas in order to increase readership, well, it’s hilarious.
“Then why doesn’t this site do reviews on the Silver Surfer book?”
If Spider-Man showed up in it, we would. This shouldn’t be that hard of a concept to grasp. Truly.
“So why does a simple Twitter post he makes, whether it’s good or bad, get called to attention, but anything else he does does not? If he saved a load of puppies from a burning fire, would that be posted on the site? No, only the negative things are. “
I guarantee if he saved puppies from a burning building we’d post that here.
“The site has done it before and it’s gotten annoying. Posting something about how he claimed Silk was “demanded”, okay that’s Spiderman related…post that. But posting an article about the guy saying “f**k KFC!” under the guise that it’s supposed to create a discussion about professionalism? No, that’s just too far fetched and is being negative against Slott.”
I’ll break this down for you once more. Past that I’ll have to resort to using puppets.
The company he cursed out does business with Disney Marvel, the company that signs his paycheck. They also do promos for Disney Marvel heroes, including Spider-Man.
Hopefully it got through that time though I don’t think we’re that lucky.
“I’m not trying to drum up negativity against BD, he does that on his own”
Yes, clearly you’re not doing that.
“And I’m stubborn and don’t know when to shut up.”
Well at least we found something to agree on.
“Stuff like this invites the hate”
Fair enough. It brought you here, so that’s a fair point.
“whether it’s a misunderstanding of the site’s real intentions or not, it’s still gonna attract criticism. But it’s not like it’s going to sink the site or anything.”
100% guaranteed to not sink the site.
“I just personally find it annoying. I’m sure I’m not the only one either. Just keep in mind for all of you that defend this place, BD is not God and the Crawlspace is not Heaven…it’s not always more justified than Slott is. Way I see it, I see two bitter enemies bickering back and forth, although one of those in Slott, has quit a long time ago, while this site can’t seem to let it go. But it’s for attention and business, so I get that. It’s just not very nice business.”
Know what’s not very nice business? Cursing out a corporate partner doing business with your company and promoting a character you happen to work on.
See there? We’ve come full circle.
“As for the site and Marvel being similar…the site is still pointing out something that another guy did that it deems as wrong. In Slott’s mind KFC must have did something “wrong” at some point to make him dislike it. See the connection here? The site is criticizing Slott for something itself is guilty of.”
As an analogy it fails. The entire point is that Slott was badmouthing a company that does business with the one that pays his check. If Crawl Space had badmouthed a podcast or site sponsor, your analogy would work. But we haven’t and we never would.
“I disagree, as a site that represents the Spiderman fans, it should have a bit more dignity and class to it. Not on the same level as Marvel, no…but that doesn’t mean it needs to turn into a tabloid publication either and attack a “celebrity” for every tiny little thing they do…right now that’s exactly what the site is doing, all in the good name of business. Who knows, maybe Slott’s comment will attract more business to KFC…and wouldn’t that be the kicker?”
So us having dignity and class would mean… not pointing out when Disney Marvel writers or editors fail to show dignity and class? Forgive me if I’m dubious about your concern regarding this site’s dignity and class.
I forgot one thing: GO SEAHAWKS!!!
*won’t lose sleep
Also, let me retract my statement, that while it IS a personal war against Slott, it’s also to attract hits, but without the “war” first, there would be no hits, so they go hand in hand.
@69 you got the okay from BD to post this…regardless, I’m sure BD would have no problem posting this either, as he has in the past, and I’ve already seen him comment.
The guy posted something not Spiderman related…and you post it on a Spiderman site…because he writes Spiderman? And you don’t think that’s stretching even a little bit? Come on now….
Those examples you listed are Spiderman RELATED, right? Except maybe the Stan Lee bit, but that’s not exactly negative towards him, it’s something in his favor…which makes this entirely different. Again, the guy wrote a Twitter post, having NOTHING to do with Spiderman…it’s as simple as it sounds. It shouldn’t be on this site, but it is because you know what will attract the most comments, and probably even makes the people here who were trolled or hated on by Slott before feel a little better about themselves. It’s just a personal war the site has against Slott, that’s really as simple as it gets here. That’s okay though, you won’t sleep over me thinking that way, as you said. And maybe you can sleep a little bit better knowing you “one uped” Slott again…or…something.
I have not read all the comments so if I am repeating something I apologize in advance.
Whether DAN Slott likes it or not he is a representive of Marvel. He writes one of their flagship books and therefore is one of the major faces of the company. He should conduct himself as such. Posting something that some people might find offensive and where millions of people have an opportunity to see it is irresponsible and stupid. Don’t forget that Spider-Man is aimed at children, too.
And yes, you do not bite the hand that feeds you. Taking a jibe at KFC was immature, careless and not funny.
Also, this is a Spder-Man site. It reported something that the writer of Amazing Spider-Man posted. Thanks for doing your job!
@65 Then why doesn’t this site do reviews on the Silver Surfer book? Wasn’t Slott writing that? And if he’s the writer for Spiderman, that therefore makes him related to Spiderman and the site itself, no? So why does a simple Twitter post he makes, whether it’s good or bad, get called to attention, but anything else he does does not? If he saved a load of puppies from a burning fire, would that be posted on the site? No, only the negative things are. The site has done it before and it’s gotten annoying. Posting something about how he claimed Silk was “demanded”, okay that’s Spiderman related…post that. But posting an article about the guy saying “f**k KFC!” under the guise that it’s supposed to create a discussion about professionalism? No, that’s just too far fetched and is being negative against Slott. I’m not trying to drum up negativity against BD, he does that on his own, I’m just trying to point out my side of the argument and how hypocritical BD and Berryman themselves make their site look. And I’m stubborn and don’t know when to shut up.
Again, I’ll reiterate I know WHY he’s doing this, I just think it’s petty and low of the site to do such things. I mean, if you’re gonna do this then at the very least don’t complain the next time Slott gives hate to the site or when anyone does, quite frankly. Stuff like this invites the hate, whether it’s a misunderstanding of the site’s real intentions or not, it’s still gonna attract criticism. But it’s not like it’s going to sink the site or anything. I just personally find it annoying. I’m sure I’m not the only one either. Just keep in mind for all of you that defend this place, BD is not God and the Crawlspace is not Heaven…it’s not always more justified than Slott is. Way I see it, I see two bitter enemies bickering back and forth, although one of those in Slott, has quit a long time ago, while this site can’t seem to let it go. But it’s for attention and business, so I get that. It’s just not very nice business.
As for the site and Marvel being similar…the site is still pointing out something that another guy did that it deems as wrong. In Slott’s mind KFC must have did something “wrong” at some point to make him dislike it. See the connection here? The site is criticizing Slott for something itself is guilty of.
I disagree, as a site that represents the Spiderman fans, it should have a bit more dignity and class to it. Not on the same level as Marvel, no…but that doesn’t mean it needs to turn into a tabloid publication either and attack a “celebrity” for every tiny little thing they do…right now that’s exactly what the site is doing, all in the good name of business. Who knows, maybe Slott’s comment will attract more business to KFC…and wouldn’t that be the kicker?
“But then again like I say…BD knows what gives his website hits.”
“Like I said, BD knows his audience…he posts this kind of crap for the hits and conversation it creates.”
Brad didn’t post this. I did.
“honestly if this was someone other than Slott, I highly doubt the site would post anything or even blink in that direction.”
This is hilariously untrue and demonstrably false. When a comics “journalism” site attacked Stan Lee? We covered it here. When Bleeding Cool and Humberto Ramos (a penciler on ASM) got into it over potential ASM spoilers? We covered it here. When Tom Brevoort says something asinine about Spider-Man? We cover it here. When Mark Millar twists off on God knows whatever? Well we don’t cover it here since he’s not currently involved with Spider-Man. When the writer of ASM tells a fan to “go eff himself?” We cover it. It really shouldn’t be hard to understand. If it’s Spider-Man related, we cover it here. That includes the unfortunate behavior of the man writing him.
“hateful and spiteful of this site, is it really more mature to give him the same kind of treatment in return?”
“Berryman obviously had BD’s permission to post this, but isn’t what Slott is being criticized for practically the same thing this place is doing? A “professional” company (in this case the Crawlspace) basically lambasting someone they don’t like…isn’t that exactly what Slott did to KFC, although he was attempting to be funny, while this just looks like a petty revenge scheme?”
The editorial is neither hateful or spiteful. Nor is the tone “eff Slott.” It raises a question about professionalism.
“I don’t know why I’m posting all this though”
Oh c’mon. We all know why. 😎
“I just want some people to see the light and realize that the Crawlspace is NOT perfect or the holy grail of Spiderman forums”
Maybe we are, maybe we aren’t. Either way we know how to spell ‘Spider-Man.’
“I also await to see them scan my IP address just to see if I’m Slott or from Marvel, which I also find quite hilarious and shows their paranoia.”
It’s not a ‘scan’ so much as a browser page that shows us info. I haven’t looked; you don’t write anything like Slott.
“at the same time, Slott is a freelancer, so he (as I believe he or Wacker have said before) do not represent Disney or Marvel”
As I correctly pointed out earlier, it doesn’t matter if he’s an employee, a contractor or a freelancer. He’s the writer of ASM and by extention he represents Disney Marvel. He has no problems with representing them at conventions, for example.
“fair enough, but again…does this REALLY warrant a whole article about it? It’s just BD trying to drum up hits for his site…”
A ‘whole’ article. Without that picture to the right of it the editorial is actually quite short. And again, BD didn’t post it. I did.
“but doing so in this case really makes the site look bitter and revenge thirsty, and is a bad reflection on it’s reputation as a whole. There’s a reason certain people at Marvel dislike this site and others see it as being negative…and posting crap like this is it.”
We let people speak their mind here and we’re not a lapdog flack site, so of course Marvel dislikes that. If not accepting something simply because it’s what’s currently there means being “negative” then so be it. When it comes to Spider-Man we don’t carry anyone’s water. We like what we like and when we don’t, we say why. We will always analyze and question and we will always expect the best.
Bottom line? Yes, when the writer of ASM curses a Marvel corporate partner that’s run Spider-Man and Marvel promos before? It’s a safe bet we’ll mention it. If this has been someone other than Slott that’s currently working on something Spider-related? Yeah, we’d post that and call it out. I get that *you* may not believe that but trust me I won’t lose sleep over it.
To clarify #66 is in response to #60. My internet’s being batty so some of my comments were getting lost.
@#63- Slott may be a freelancer, but that doesn’t remove him from criticism. He shows up at conventions at Marvel panels, and signs at Marvel booths. His twitter and CBR account has the Spider-Man logo on it. He uses Marvel’s own imagery to represent himself, and to promote the connection he has of their work. He doesn’t get to divorce himself from any repercussion regarding his questionable behavior just because of a technicality. If Marvel is signing his checks, then he’s representing them in several ways.
Regardless, I doubt this is going to be a big story. Bleeding Cool hasn’t even done any reports on this, and it’s this sort of inanity that is right up their ally.
I do agree that his joke here is being taken way out of context, but I think it’s grossly unprofessional for a public figure to casually throw around “f* this, f* that”. His actions will reflect on his employers, that’s the whole point of being professional. Even on the show, we try to keep it at a strict PG-13. He could have easily changed his choice of words while still communicating his joke and being less offensive. Also, when he was called out on what he said, he responded rather nastily instead of apologizing for any misunderstanding, which any true professional would have done.
As for scanning IP addresses and whatnot, I wouldn’t call that paranoia since, in the past, Slott’s editor and others have tried to shitpost from alt accounts on multiple occasions.
If anyone wants to defend Slott, they’re certainly free to do so. I’d actually love to have some back-and-forth with them, but, unfortunately, these defenses usually come at the expense of others on this site, which is unacceptable.
@#64 That’s really unfair to BD and it’s starting to sound like you’re just trying to drum up negativity against him. This site doesn’t exist to be liked, it exists to give fans a place to discuss Spider-Man stuff. I honestly think that a lot of the tangentially related posts are a bit trite, but, as hornacek said, that’s the whole point of the site. Good or bad, if it’s related to Spider-Man, it’ll be on the front page here. It’s important to remember that criticizing does not equal bashing. No one here is bashing Slott. As I said, that gets called out readily. I think people are too quick to equate criticism with negativity, but they’re free to think what they want so whatever.
Also, where did hornacek say that the site is less important than Marvel? I can see where you’d infer that, but in all honesty, the professionalism that exists at a company, especially a giant like Marvel, just isn’t the same as the professionalism that should be displayed on a site that no one works for professionally. Equating the two is disingenuous.
@63 at the same time, Slott is a freelancer, so he (as I believe he or Wacker have said before) do not represent Disney or Marvel. But it’s sort of a cop out when you say the site is less important than Marvel…the ideals should all be the same.
If he wants to bash KFC, whether as a joke or not, I just don’t see why the site should care…
@62 fair enough, but again…does this REALLY warrant a whole article about it? It’s just BD trying to drum up hits for his site…but doing so in this case really makes the site look bitter and revenge thirsty, and is a bad reflection on it’s reputation as a whole. There’s a reason certain people at Marvel dislike this site and others see it as being negative…and posting crap like this is it.
@60 – ” isn’t what Slott is being criticized for practically the same thing this place is doing? A ‘professional’ company (in this case the Crawlspace) basically lambasting someone they don’t like”
Last time I checked, the Crawl Space is not a company, doesn’t work for Marvel, and no one gets paid (reminder everyone – throw the website a few bucks every month).
“isn’t that exactly what Slott did to KFC, although he was attempting to be funny, ”
Was he? Given his track record online, I didn’t take it as him trying to be funny. I took it like he was yelling “F@CK KFC” into our collective faces, as if he was mad at them and he wanted everyone to know that they deserved his wrath.
@58 – I find it hard to understand how anyone can think that a website can post any and all Spidey-related stories like a coffee-stained letter to a fan from Steve Ditko, or a kid wearing a Spidey shirt watching his mother get sprayed in the face with Febreeze by an irate store employee), and yet a Twitter post by Dan Slott, the current (and only) writer of Amazing Spider-Man, is not worth mentioning on a Spider-Man fan website? That’s kind of the point of a fan website – to talk about anything and everything related to the website’s topic.
If Steve Ditko is sighted at a wedding, the Crawl Space will be there.
If another country blames their violence problem on Spider-Man, the Crawl Space will be there.
If Spider-Man is only slightly or tangentially related to the story, THE CRAWL SPACE WILL BE THERE! (cue The Battle Hymn of the Republic music)
@#59 PartyHardy- And the fact that Slott refused to come back on the boards after he was slapped down shows that he isn’t capable of being considerate to the beliefs of others, and only wants to frequent sites that allow him to throw said temper tantrums without repercussion. It shows that he doesn’t think before he acts or says something. If he is incapable of controlling his baser instincts and is just looking to shout down anyone who’s dared to say negative things about his work, then it’s a sign of a larger problem.
The KFC thing will probably mean nothing in the end. But I think it does open up an interesting discussion professionalism in today’s industry and how Slott routinely falls short due to his own childishness and entitled behavior.
@59 so looking at it the other side of the coin, if Slott is hateful and spiteful of this site, is it really more mature to give him the same kind of treatment in return? Or is it best to just ignore him and keep the integrity of this site intact? If he makes himself look bad, then that’s on him. But when the website practically baits the guy like this, nobody is really going to blame him for hating it. Although I can probably assure you he cares less about this site than the people here care about him.
I just don’t see how this looks good for the site at all. Berryman obviously had BD’s permission to post this, but isn’t what Slott is being criticized for practically the same thing this place is doing? A “professional” company (in this case the Crawlspace) basically lambasting someone they don’t like…isn’t that exactly what Slott did to KFC, although he was attempting to be funny, while this just looks like a petty revenge scheme? I don’t know why I’m posting all this though, guess I just want some people to see the light and realize that the Crawlspace is NOT perfect or the holy grail of Spiderman forums, and they should realize that yeah the people that run this place aren’t really anymore mature than the people at Marvel who hate on them. And that these people use whatever they can to drum up business sometimes, so to speak.
I also await to see them scan my IP address just to see if I’m Slott or from Marvel, which I also find quite hilarious and shows their paranoia. I’ve seen people here before who have defended Slott get accused of being him, and again, that just shows more hatred and bitterness. Although I wouldn’t say I’m defending Slott now anyway.
@#58 Sure, it’s sensationalism, but it’s also a matter of a lead writer’s professionalism. No one here is upset about KFC or anything. It’s the fact that THIS guy is the voice of Spider-Man now, and we object. Also, I’m pretty sure most people here have had issue, and rightly so, with Slott ever since he threw a tantrum on our messageboards and started being belligerent with users. So yeah, this site can have a “hate on” for Slott. It’s not undeserved. And I think if anyone started screening his Twitter as you’re foreseeing, the shock value would quickly wear off and it’d last about as long as the Silk cosplay “week”.
@56 honestly if this was someone other than Slott, I highly doubt the site would post anything or even blink in that direction. And I don’t see how a Spiderman writer simply posting on Twitter “f**k KFC” is even worth a mention…are people supposed to screen his Twitter now and post every little amusing or “wrong” thing he says? Like I said, BD knows his audience…he posts this kind of crap for the hits and conversation it creates. But it does make him look bitter, and makes the site overall look like it has a hate on for Slott. But controversy = ratings, as they say.
@#51 BD- Dan Slott doesn’t seem to understand that people are capable of binary thinking. Or basic retail, really.
The local comic shop owner I had HATED Kang the Conqueror. But he would sell comics featuring the character. Why? Because it’s a business and people will buy it. Same thing with the X-Men. He wasn’t a current fan of the X-Men comics, but he’d still stock them. When asked he’s state his reluctance and dislike for the material, but would still stock them. Because people were buying them.
And, really, a retailer isn’t going to like everything in their stock, and in many cases they will order stuff that they know will sell but may not be fans of. My local comic shop owner said he stock Marvel and DC because it was Marvel and DC and it was the main thing people bought, and after that it was stuff he was interested in. After the big two, everything else were comics that he felt were important and he’d want to stock.
Slott really doesn’t seem to get that. He just gets hung up on the fact that sales somehow absolves anything of all fallacy, and that there really aren’t multiple factors or viewpoints going on.
@55 – I disagree. This is a Spider-Man website. It covers everything Spidey-related from the expected (reviews) to the unexpected (the Spider-Man porno, Steve Ditko sightings at weddings, Spidey towel giveaways to save foreign countries, etc). Dan Slott is THE voice for Spider-Man comics right now. What he says in public reflects on the character and the ASM book.
If this was the 1960s this site would be posting about Stan’s exploits at conventions, universities, and Hollywood. It’s Spidey-relevant.
Slow news day, huh? On the one hand, this site knows what gives them the hits. On the other hand, going after Slott for every little thing he does just makes you look bitter and pitiful.
I get it, he’s a terrible Spiderman writer, I agree. But come on, this has nothing to do with that…give the guy a break and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. But then again like I say…BD knows what gives his website hits.
@#45-I don’t agree that on paper that’s an admirable philosophy. Its still someone saying “women should be X, Y or Z” or “A real woman should be”.
A woman should be…whatever they want…so long as they’re not breaking the law or hurting anyone obviously. You know…kinda like men are allowed to be whatever…
@#48-Whilst MJ and Felicia were never explicitly shown to have had a string of romantic partners, and yes that was something inferred by fans (regardless of whether they were dates or whether it went beyond that), I don’t think them even having had a lot of partners is a bad thing. At the same time I don’t think you could logically say they weren’t interested in sex for the sake of sex. I don’t mean that they were nymphomaniacs who were all about that, but they were clearly characters who enjoyed things of that nature and did pursue it should they find themselves so inclined.
What’s to stop marvel from simply having Slott
write using a nom de plume?
It seems Slott doesn’t feel retailers should bad mouth books on social media that they don’t like. It might loose them sales. Hmm…