Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott recently told a poster at the Comic Book Resources Spider-Man forum to go F-themselves. A poster by the name of lejayjay had a snarky comment about Slott saying
It is jus a paycheck for Slott anyway. He’s not a real fan.
Slott then replied with this comment.
As a guy who turned down a side job this year for a paycheck that would’ve been over a third of his yearly income– BECAUSE it would’ve meant cutting back on his not-so-lucrative comic book writing career– and get in the way of working on his Spider-Man dream job…
…and the guy who slept less than 12 hours over the course of 4 days this week working on a script while he was sick… a guy who finally had to be ORDERED off it by his editor to go see a doctor… and is still in a good deal of pain today…
…this is the first time I think I’ve ever said this to somebody over a comic book message board:
Go fuck yourself.
Seriously.
Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Now I post this not to bring up the Slott/ Crawlspace disagreement again, but it opens a good point of discussion.
Should the pro’s be held to a different standard when it comes to online behavior?
Should they bite their tongues?
Are they risking future sales to an already small audience, when they tell a potential or current customer to go f-themselves?
I’d like your thoughts in the comment section or on this thread on our message board. Remember no personal attacks, keep it civil. Refresh yourselves on the rules before you post.
CBR has since deleted the post however Google was able to take a cache of it before it was deleted. Here’s the link.
oops #268 Secret wars
#266 This Man, This Frog!
Gotta love it! That being said……………………
So Wacker posts….well…stuff.
Let’s consider his position with marvel as
we gaze upon his comments.
Kevin, on the other hand, posts in response
to someone’s comment that Wacker should
go away, that these kinds of comments will
not be tolerated.
It’s called class, what Kevin has.
I wanna make fun of people’s names!!!
I’m not sure it was an insult, George…he’s probably not familiar with who you are.
Like he isn’t familiar with who Peter Parker is.
“Berryton,” Wacker?
Seriously? You want to be the one to start making fun of someone else’s name?
@262 – Sad and true; the man holds a more responsible
position with the company than Slott does. More than one
of us has commented on the attitude.
Ah, but have you tried barrel jumping while bag/boarding old Herbie comics
…while posting on this site?
You wanna talk about crazy?!? Well, there ya go!
Mr. Wacker, your various posts seem very snarky. Is that the best way to treat paying customers, even if they are not thrilled with the current product? It turns me off, personally.
And I WAS a fan…back when the Spider-Man comics were actually GOOD.
Ah, memories…No retcon will ever take those away from me!
Sadly, everything I hold dear about Spider-Man was ruined long ago…
Also Brad Douglas owes me dinner for this.
I will accept a frozen concrete from Ted Drewes.
SW
@AmFan 15
You got the responsibility quote wrong. You aren’t really a fan, are you?
SW
And I don’t think most of you are making this website…or barrell jumping or old Herbie comics… look too good, but what are ya gonna do? Life’s just crazy, ain’t it?
Marvel is gonna be fine with or without me. However do you think this website can survive Dan Slott telling off some anonymous guy on another message board? This could be the end of everything you hold dear!!
SW
Dang I missed the Black Suit.
This is probably not the best place to make a first post I admit but this kind of issue is one that can’t really be avoided. While Slott does indeed have the right to state his opinion when someone calls his work into question, I also think he could have been far more professional about it. Using such language, especially on a public forum in which your identity is known is not the brightest idea. If he had done it anonymously, fine, none of us would have known it was him but I think to use such strong language isn’t a great move on his behalf.
Ah ASM #252, the first appearence of the black suit in the main titles and the final issue of Roger Stern’s first ASM run. Was just listening to Brad’s interview with him and I have to say it was a great listen. Keep up the good work BD!
No, I’m simply curious is all…
And Amazing Fantasy #15 introduced the world to a true hero, one that we could relate to, look up to, and admire.
One that I mourn the loss of.
“With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility”
It’s not just a catchphrase…it’s a way of life.
SW, you are not making yourself or marvel look good with your comments…
Do you have an obligation to jump through our barrels?
Silly boy, at the crawlspace tiki bar, we have casks, not barrels.
Pull up a chair, quaff a quaff or two and retreat to your happy place…
Meanwhile remembering that “clients” is another word for “paying customers”.
Reading between the lines about your “‘mod’ me all you want…” comment,
I apologize for not realizing you were a ROCKER, not a Mod. Rock on, then, rock on!
huh? Why is lack of conversation desirable on a comments thread?
Are you asking me to leave? You aren’t really Amazing Fantasy 15 are you?
SW
#247 reminds you of 24/7…it reminds me of a story called (appropriately enough) “Interruptions!”
Things were finally starting to die down a little here, Mr. Wacker…which leads me to ask why you decided to come back?
Sorry, butdo i have some obligation to jump through your barrels?
SW
I looked at this thread and decided, “There’s just not enough comments! I’ll do my best to remedy that!”
I’ll make my points fast: The original CBR fan poster took a cheap shot at Slott, Slott cursed at him. Did either person act in the best way possible? No. Then again, in the grand scheme of things, I don’t think any of this matters. Slott will continue to write ASM, the fan poster will continue with his/her life, Wacker will continue to edit, and the CrawlSpace crew will go on with their lives. What happened is no different than getting cut off on the road and flipping the bird back at that person. It’s not a great experience, but it happens, and life goes on.
Now everyone on all sides, back to your respective corners.
And besides, it’s December. ‘Tis the season to be jolly!
@Stephen Wacker re:#244
Fans shouldn’t be treated like clients? Ok…well this is certainly an example of not treating a person with RESPECT (on both counts).
While I’m glad to see Mr. Wacker here…I keep waiting for one SOLID answer from him. All I’ve read though are cheapshots and jokes that he’s sent out to deflect comments and avoid the issue.
STEVE – DO YOU AGREE WITH DAN SLOTT’S ACTIONS?
Fans are not clients, but “mod” me all you want.
ASM 247 reminds me of:
http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-24-7-Dan-Slott/dp/0785133968
Hmmmm…Steve…aren’t most fans clients?
As in handing-over-their-hard-earned-money fans/clients/customers?
I’m just sayin’.
And nobody here was pretending to know everything, ever.
Well…actually…I know everything. But dag – I keep forgetting it…
If I were a mod, I’d call you on that last, line-bordering post, but I’m not.
Boring Wacker? Don’t you like the issue number game ? 🙁
This is getting boring. Berryton should pretend to know everything again.
Also more from the Dude classlessly insinuating Slott was faking sick, please.
Oh…and shame on the person who suggested our fans should be treated like clients. That’s shameful.
@Newboyz: What are you talking about? @217 said there were better ways for Slott to reply to a meathead, besides acting like a meathead himself. Nothing about “couldn’t behave like a human being”.
243: MJ is back, in style!
@ 217 u just said that Slott couldn’t behave like a human being simply because hes writing spiderman a true writer had the ability to create/ write characters different from thrmselves
If I ever said to one of our clients (and we got ’em nation-wide)
THOSE three little words, you can believe my bosses wouldn’t
be as supportive as Wacker. Interesting biz, the comics profession…
BDog, you just skipped over Hobby getting his ass thoroughly kicked (in issue 239) !
The Stern years… Respected continuity, and managed to make lesser characters like the Vulture interesting and a threat to Spidey.
Um wow. This got 238 comments…jesus…
@236, Ha, you got me there.
{Yes, it’s 5:30 in the morning and I needs some sleep}
How about “skin must be this thick to write Spider-Man.”
@233, I don’t think there’s any common curtiosy. There is still common courtesy last I checked though. 😉
Will-o-Wisp and the monsterfied Tarantula… They shouldn’t have taken their meds, fo sho.
I have a solution that will prevent this from ever happening again. Can we add a line to the labels of any medication writers may be taking? Put it right under the “Do not operate heavy machinery” line. Something like, “Do not take this medication and type on message boards.” There. Problem solved.
Just because you can act like a ass, doesn’t mean you should.
While he had every right to defend himself, there was certainly no need to tell him to F off. Is there any common curtiosy left in this world?
CBR spawned a nightmare in PR for its pals at Marvel when the long running bitchfest between people who despise OMD, BND, OMIT and BT, and who have been sniped at incessantly by Wacker and Slott, sometimes in retaliation sometimes to further Wacker’s self-espoused agenda to anger and frustrate people who like Spider-Man finally broke out into open warfare. Slott told a poster on CBR to fuck himself – twice. Shades of Tropic Thunder? Only not funny. At the time.
Wow this has gone so long you can’t even see the top.
What were we talking about again? All I remember from looking through these comments last night is the awesome ASM issue game. 😉
@226
Two Bit Specialist, that was very classy of you. 🙂 I’m sure you’re a reasonable guy and Wacker is usually a reasonable guy. I think the internet does tend to bring the worst out of us at times, and that applies to fans and creators alike. It’s much easier to type stinging words than to say them to someone’s face. All we can hope to do is remember there’s another person on the other side of that monitor and try to to check ourselves when we realize we’ve gone too far.
229-Nothing Can Stop The Juggernaut!(b*tch) which is kinda appropriate for this comment section
Nothing to add really,I’m just here to say I posted a comment on something as massive as this
Slott was the one with the poor lil me routine. He brought it up.
As for having an ax to grind: no not at all. Calling bullshit =/= having an ax to grind.
I did a double take when I saw the number of comments in this thread. And like many before me, I’m mostly commenting to be part of Crawlspace history!
I do wish the title used “himself” or “him/herself”, to be a little bit less grammatically ambiguous. Although it says “fan,” the use of the word “themselves” threw me off. Man, the internet can really bring out the best and worst in people, can’t it?
@Andrew (from all the way back in #145)
I clearly had about 40 issues to reflect upon my actions. 😉
To allude to what you brought up, I will do this: if Mr. Wacker has bothered to continue reading this thread, I offer a word of apology. I run no multi-million dollar company. I do not promote a product that should be associated with quality. I do not own a brand that has a massive fanbase.
All I have is my name. That name is Aaron Romero, Jr. It is a name that may not mean much to anybody, certainly not here, but because my actions ultimately reflect upon that name and the reputation that name carries, I apologize, because even if your actions called for it, it was not my place to do what I did.
Now, if I can do this, certainly men of greater position and talent than my own are capable to do the same as well.
Gee, Flying Tiger, got a bit of an axe to grind, eh? This is the third or fourth time you’ve brought up Slott’s illness. Last I checked, being sick didn’t impair your typing skills*, but it can make you foggy-headed, stress you out and impair your judgement, all of which could factor into Slott’s rash reply.
(* unless you have one of those freaky diseases that shut down your whole nervous system, in which case you should immediately see a DOCTOR!!)
Slott is so sick… but he can still tweet his ass off. About decompression of all things.
Last issue of the O’Neil run…THANK GOODNESS!
C’mon guys… just a year and a half left of issues before we get the introduction of the HOBGOBLIN!!!
We’re already in the 80’s. We can do this!
oh, and uh, everyone’s right and everyone’s wrong. On the internet, stress gets the better of us. I empathize with Slott, but don’t condone or sympathize, yadda yadda, insert generic response. ;-P
217 was also entitled “Here’s Mud In Your Eye!”
Appropriate, given all the mud that’s being slung…
JVL: Nope, this is a first.